Sevlynn: For the record ancient Hebrew and Caananite are virtually identical languages.
Phillip: Aviv is simply the proper name of the month... as I recall it means "green ears" (not ripe ears). Just like "Fall" is the proper name of a Season in English... leaves may or may not begin to "fall" on the first day of fall
Shalom Brother Trimm,
I certainly agree with you on the definition of 'aviv'. The denominative nature of Hebrew suggests that it is of Hebrew origin and not Babylonian (which shows a predisposition to naming calendrical components after idols, though I am far from an authority on this subject). The supposition here is that the greening of the barley ears is what is intended (as it coincides with the many other details of Spring Feasts that are mentioned in the Exodus and elsewhere) and that the moon cycle indicated by this stage of ripening is what Adonai intended to be identified as the beginning of the year by the recipients of the 'passing over of the Angel of Death' - the children of Israel.
I am still at a loss as to why you believe that the Karaites are in error concerning this point. Thank you for your efforts to respond. I know you are a man of many responsibilities. When you have the time, would you clarify this point as presented in my earlier post?
James Trimm said:Sevlynn: For the record ancient Hebrew and Caananite are virtually identical languages.
Phillip: Aviv is simply the proper name of the month... as I recall it means "green ears" (not ripe ears).
Just like "Fall" is the proper name of a Season in English... leaves may or may not begin to "fall" on the first day of fall
Shalom Brother Trimm,
Thank you for your reply. If I understand you correctly, your position is that the passover cannot occur after the equinox. Can you cite scripture for me? I can't seem to find any reference to the equinox in scripture anywhere. For me, without scriptural reference, this leaves the equinox as a component of the scriptural calendar in doubt.
I find the origins of the Karaites to be irrelevant to this discussion. I simply endorse their method of calendrical observation, though they would contend with you about their origins.
Since the early Hillel calendar depended on sightings of the aviv and the first sliver of the new moon and since the first mention of the procession of the equinox is found in writings that post-date the Diaspora, the claim that the passover must precede the equinox seems tenuous to me. Historically, Hipparchus is credited with discovering precession of the equinoxes. The exact dates of his life are not known, but astronomical observations attributed to him by Ptolemy date from 147 BC to 127 BC. While this does predate the Diaspora, they are in no place found in Jewish writing prior to that time. Absolutely nothing about the equinox is found that coincides with the establishment of the calendar during the Exodus.
By the way, isn't it a hallmark of the idol worshiping nations to have a spring feast that coincides with the Vernal Equinox? I thought the influence was Hellenistic...
and its supposed to be new MONTH, not new moon.
We use the sun primarily, and the moon we use for intercalation.
Anaiah Priel (Andrew P) Carlson said:and its supposed to be new MONTH, not new moon.