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Is (or is not) having sex on the Sabbath a sin?

I myself am (strongly) of the opinion that it is not a sin to have sex on the Sabbath; however, there are several individuals here who are (strongly) of the opinion that it is indeed a sin.

This topic has been discussed in a previous thread regarding the Sabbath restrictions found in the Book of Jubilees (not a book I support in any way), but the emphasis of that thread was on Jubilees, not this specific issue of sex on the Sabbath.

I would like to hear diverse answers from NazSpace members concerning their opinion on the matter.

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Anyone can do this.
You probably say enough words each day to sum up all the basic types of creatures.
He probably did not name every type of every species of every sort, just the main categories anyway.

Anaiah Priel (Andrew P) Carlson said:
you really think Adam could physically name all the animals in one day?
sure. what's the problem...?
did he have any other tasks that day?
maybe he even experienced time differently from us, being an immortal superhuman.

Anaiah Priel (Andrew P) Carlson said:
he has to name all the animals, not be satisfied, fall into a deep sleep, and awaken to a beautiful woman, all in one day, according to your interpretation.
12 hours = a day? um, what?
you also define kinds according to your own mind.
Elohim counts whales as fish, and bats as fowls.
you (and your atheist scientist buddies) probably dont.

also, Adam was a superhuman = case closed.


Anaiah Priel (Andrew P) Carlson said:
not enough time in the day to do that. He had 12 hours to do all those things? not possible.
one kind for every hour = 12 kinds. one kind for every minute = 720 kinds. one kind for every second = 43,200 kinds. the classification system of secular science is as follows: Species Genus
Family
Order
Class
Phylum
Kingdom
Domain
Life

according to wikipedia, there is over 1,200 families.
It is my opinion that almost all animals today are simply variations of a selective few types of "base" animal prototypes, certainly not the billions of different animals modern science claims there to be, hence, it could have easily been done in a very short time frame.

Christian said:
Anyone can do this.
You probably say enough words each day to sum up all the basic types of creatures. He probably did not name every type of every species of every sort, just the main categories anyway.
Anaiah Priel (Andrew P) Carlson said:
you really think Adam could physically name all the animals in one day?
Yes, that's a good example. I believe the same example can be seen in most "species" out there... dinosaurs, for instance, are a prime example.

Analogy: It's kind of like how 2 Esdras numbers the books of the Bible as being 24, while the actual number of books he was have been referencing could have been at least 55+.

Anaiah Priel (Andrew P) Carlson said:
I am in the middle of your position and the secular world, Jesse. For example, i consider house cats and lions and cheetahs to be of the same kind.
Even IF we take your Jubilees-istic assumption to be true about the timing of when Chawa was derived from Adahm (where she was derived 1 week later than the traditional 6th day), that makes the derivation of Chawa on the second 6th day--giving Adahm plenty of time to name the animal (or types of animals) according to your allocation of time for Adahm to name them. If Chawa is derived on the (second) 6th day, we still have YHWH telling the couple to get busy right before nightfall, right before Sabbath. YHWH does NOT tell them to wait a day. So even in your scenario, guess what they were doing ALL DAY LONG ON SABBATH!
(for the record i do not hold to Jubilees)

Anaiah Priel (Andrew P) Carlson said:
i know not the species, but the kinds. there are many many kinds, too many to be named in one day. Jubilees explains he named the animals over a period of several days (i think it was five days, or maybe six).
There is no such extra week (as the Genesis account clearly takes place during one literal seven day week), hence there is no intermediate time between when Eve was separated from Adam.

Ya'acov's point is absolutely correct. They were instructed "be fruitful and multiply" toward the end of the 6th day, as Sabbath was approaching.
APCAP vs APCAP:

"If there can be an extra week of naming animals, when Genesis is silent on that time, so also can there be intermediate time between when Eve was separated from Adam and when they united as husband and wife."

"nice argument from silence, Yaakov [Anaiah]." [strikethrough and insertion mine]
Well actually, technically, it could. If she ovulated that day, then the sperm can actually reach the egg within 15 min. From the moment the egg and sperm unite, a new life is created and begins to grow. Multiplication has taken place and 2 have become 3.

Anaiah Priel (Andrew P) Carlson said:
the command, be fruitful and multiply, can not be fulfilled in seven days. The fruitful part could logically be. The multiply part can't.
Was eve created before the sixth Day, or was human created and not separated until YEWE planted humankind in the garden after the first Shabbat??????

J. Jury said:
There is no such extra week (as the Genesis account clearly takes place during one literal seven day week), hence there is no intermediate time between when Eve was separated from Adam.

Ya'acov's point is absolutely correct. They were instructed "be fruitful and multiply" toward the end of the 6th day, as Sabbath was approaching.
The genesis account shows ben adahm placed in the garden after creation; the garden was not before the first Shabbat. After ben adahm was given by YEWE a place to provide for a woman, was she placed in his care, after the calling of all things he was given dominion over, land, plants, animals; the garden; THEN the wife??????

Shalom

sevynn leverette said:
Was eve created before the sixth Day, or was human created and not separated until YEWE planted humankind in the garden after the first Shabbat??????

J. Jury said:
There is no such extra week (as the Genesis account clearly takes place during one literal seven day week), hence there is no intermediate time between when Eve was separated from Adam.

Ya'acov's point is absolutely correct. They were instructed "be fruitful and multiply" toward the end of the 6th day, as Sabbath was approaching.
I don't know that I can agree with this. But that's besides the point.

Genesis makes it clear that Adam and Eve were being fruitful / multiplying at least by the end of the sixth day of the first week on earth.

Chronological order of events:

1) Adam and Eve were created.
2) They were commanded, "Be fruitful and multiply."
3) The sixth day ended.
4) Adam and Eve were busy being fruitful / multiplying by the time the 7th day started.

"26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."


If you believe that Eve was not created on the 6th day, right along side Adam, then God was essentially telling Adam- a hermaphroditic creature (?)- to be fruitful and multiply. Doesn't make any sense. Eve was clearly present with Adam on the 6th day when they received the command.

sevynn leverette said:
The genesis account shows ben adahm placed in the garden after creation; the garden was not before the first Shabbat. After ben adahm was given by YEWE a place to provide for a woman, was she placed in his care, after the calling of all things he was given dominion over, land, plants, animals; the garden; THEN the wife??????
Shalom
sevynn leverette said:
Was eve created before the sixth Day, or was human created and not separated until YEWE planted humankind in the garden after the first Shabbat??????

J. Jury said:
There is no such extra week (as the Genesis account clearly takes place during one literal seven day week), hence there is no intermediate time between when Eve was separated from Adam.

Ya'acov's point is absolutely correct. They were instructed "be fruitful and multiply" toward the end of the 6th day, as Sabbath was approaching.

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