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Jubilee/Qumran Solar Calendar Vs Lunar Psalmist Calendar! Helppppp...

Shalom to all, I hope some of you may be able to help expound and give me some closure on a puzzle/subject I can't seem to crack for years. See thread title.

After studying the Enoch/Essene Qumran solar calendar and pretty much appreciating its uniformity and precision, I've now run into a jam. The non canonical book of Jubilees states this :

Jubilees 6: 30-38 :
  1. And all the days of the commandment will be two and fifty weeks of days, and (these will make) the entire year complete. Thus it is engraven and ordained on the
    heavenly
    tablets.
  2. And there is no neglecting (this commandment) for a single year or from year to year.
  3. And command thou the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning- three hundred and sixty-four days, and (these) will
    constitute a complete year, and
    they will not disturb its time from its days and from its feasts; for
    everything will fall out in them
    according to
    their testimony, and they will not leave out any day nor disturb any
    feasts.
  4. But if they do neglect and do not observe them according to His commandment, then they will disturb all
    their seasons and the years will be dislodged from this (order), [and
    they will disturb the seasons
    and the years
    will be dislodged] and they will neglect their ordinances.
  5. And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the
    new moons, and seasons, and
    sabbaths
    and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years.
  6. For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own
    devising; for the book (lies) written
    before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained,
    lest they forget the feasts
    of the covenant
    and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error
    and after their
    ignorance.
  7. For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon -how (it) disturbs the
    seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.
  8. For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an
    abominable (day) the day of
    testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all
    the days, the holy with the
    unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to
    the months and sabbaths
    and feasts and
    jubilees.
  9. For this reason I command and testify to thee that thou mayst testify to them; for after thy death thy children will disturb (them), so that they will
    not make the year three
    hundred and sixty-four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong
    as to the new moons and
    seasons and sabbaths and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood
    with all kinds of flesh.
Now, King David or whoever Psalm 104 : 19 is attested to wrote this :
19
He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

See my confusion? Jubilees says use the sun to make calendar and mark feast dates, but our trusty told Tanakh says use the moon. Jubilees has a warning against using the moon. Whats going on?

So I have a few questions I'd like answered in this order :

1.) Which is the correct method for dating feasts? Moon as prescribed in Psalms or Jubilee Sun Calendar? Why?

2.) If your answer to the first question is the Solar Jubilee calendar, then how do you reconcile that to the fact Genesis 1 says that both the sun and moon are to be used, yet Book of jubilees warns against using the moon. What therefore is the use of the moon to the Jubilee/Enoch calendar system?

3.) I have seen no direct command for calendar intercalation in the Tanakh (no not even in Ezekiel). Is there a concrete, solid method for the 1 and a quarter day discrepancy that exists for the Jubilee calendar? Or is this 365 and a quarter day just some made up science hogwash, and the year is truly a perfect 364 cycle as stated in the book of Jubilees?

Many thanks in advance. I await some closure on this puzzle I've had for so long.

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you will need a lot of prayer meditation and fasting, i have been studying this for two years now, i have started with

Daniel, Jubilees and Enoch are all correct that man has detroyed what YEWE put in place,

364 days in a year is correct

equilux begins the year

the moon and the sun line up in cycles as Enoch explains

Enoch and Jubilees say 1st 4th 7th 10th month are moon months

erev does not mean evening it renders setting

no leapyears or months

and as you i would love some closure

i hope you get some great input and insight

Shalom
"So, according to Enoch, even though the year is 364 days, the 4 intercalary days added every year are not to be reckoned in the counting of the year"

Ridiculous.
Now you have a year with 4 days that are not part of the year.
Don't you see the insane things you resort to in order to justify yourself?
Oh, but you'll try to point out some mistake someone else has made, rather than defend yourself.

Which year are those days a part of?
What does it mean that they are not counted?

Also, do you have a separate Enoch calendar and Jubilees calendar or something?
Realistically speaking, if you accept the calendar data found in Jubilees, there is no way to accommodate a leap week. The text clearly states, "For this reason I command and testify to thee that thou mayst testify to them; for after thy death thy children will disturb (them), so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty-four days only"

That is one of the reasons I reject Jubilees as canonical... There is really no mathematical way to keep a 364 day calendar without falling out of the solar rotation, unless you do not make it "three hundred and sixty-four days only" as Jubilees states.
See, I completely agree that a 364 calendar requires intercalation... but Jubilees doesn't allow for any.

Anaiah Priel (Andrew P) Carlson said:
364 days only as in it is emphasizing that it must always be the solar calendar.

so, in order words, the 364 day calendar only, instead of the 354 day calendar only.

both have intercalation.
Don't get me wrong... I'm all for keeping a 364 day calendar, just not one without some degree of intercalation to stay on track with the solar (agricultural) year.
the Enoch calendar is 360 plus 4 days

the 354 days are toalign with the 364 days every seven years which allows a jubileee year after 49 years

Shalom
I tend think that's reading into the text. Jubilees says specifically that the length of a year is only 364 days.

Anaiah Priel (Andrew P) Carlson said:
again, i think jubilees is saying you must follow the 364 day calendar only, not that the year can only have 364 days, but that the calendar year only be a 364 day calendar year. just how a 354 day calendar year is not always 354 days, but its only a 354 day calendar, likewise, a 364 day calendar is not always 364 days, but its only a 364 day calendar.
What? 354 is the lunar reckoning.

sevynn leverette said:
the Enoch calendar is 360 plus 4 days

the 354 days are toalign with the 364 days every seven years which allows a jubileee year after 49 years

Shalom
correct 354 lunar days will eventuall realign with the 364 solar days, as Enoch explains.

Shalom
Ok... but in the meantime, you're going to have a large number of years where things are completely off.

sevynn leverette said:
correct 354 lunar days will eventuall realign with the 364 solar days, as Enoch explains.

Shalom
in which way?????

If the Book i read is Scripture which i believe Enoch is; any calendar calculations other than what it says is rejecting the Ruach HaQodesh?

Shalom
From March 20 2010 to March 20 2011 is 365 days; every fourth year, it is 366 days. The seasons have been consistent for the last several hundred years of keeping this calendar.

364 days from this year to next year, you are short a day every year.
354 days you are short 11 days every year.

Neither 364 nor 354 "naturally" align with 365.25 in any degree of mathematical reckoning. Unless you can lay it all out for us and explain it?

sevynn leverette said:
in which way?????
If the Book i read is Scripture which i believe Enoch is; any calendar calculations other than what it says is rejecting the Ruach HaQodesh?
Shalom

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