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marring a person who has commited fornication

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I would like to know what Torah says concerning marring a person who has commited fornication. Is this allowed ?

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The priests were commanded thus:

Leviticus 21:13-15
13 “‘The woman he marries must be a virgin. 14 He must not marry a widow, a divorced woman, or a woman defiled by prostitution, but only a virgin from his own people, 15 so he will not defile his offspring among his people. I am YHWH, who makes him set-apart.’” 

In the New Testament, we are forbidden to marry divorced people and unbelievers. 

Although it seems Paul consels some widows to remain widows, I don't see where it says any person, fornicator or otherwise, is forbidden from remarrying. I think if this person was an unbeliever when he/she did what they did, and then converted, that he/she has been completely forgiven of their past and renewed. You didn't provide alot of details, so it's hard to give a more specific answer.

1 Corinthians 7 gives a lot of good general advice on marriage and relationships. It should prove a general guideline and enlightening in regards to the general tendency and disposition of the Ruach Hakodesh toward the aforementioned subjects.
http://niv.scripturetext.com/1_corinthians/7.htm

That is very true.  I didn't clarify this.
 
Solomon Avar said:

. I think if this person was an unbeliever when he/she did what they did, and then converted, that he/she has been completely forgiven of their past and renewed.

This is correct.

Chandler Fulton said:

The priests were commanded thus:

Leviticus 21:13-15
13 “‘The woman he marries must be a virgin. 14 He must not marry a widow, a divorced woman, or a woman defiled by prostitution, but only a virgin from his own people, 15 so he will not defile his offspring among his people. I am YHWH, who makes him set-apart.’”

Is this predominatley in the physical sence of being virgin, or can it be veiwed from a spiritual perspective ? ie the person has commited fornication outside of marrage (they were never married before) would they now be able to marry if they have repented and turned away from their sinful lifestyle ?

Yes, of course.

Warick said:

...can it be veiwed from a spiritual perspective ? ie the person has commited fornication outside of marrage (they were never married before) would they now be able to marry if they have repented and turned away from their sinful lifestyle ?

Seems a bit more complicated to me than what's been discussed. Leaning on the word "fornication" and not understanding the Hebrew or Aramaic it was taken from changes the meaning a bit. (To explicit to explain here.) I highly suggest further study.

So what are you suggesting ?
He already said the person wasn't married, and has repented.

I think God's plan is about healing and moving on, not poking around in wounds or blame-games.
I'm not saying you suggested that, but it seems you're advising to dwell on the past, which I must advise against.

mikha El said:

Seems a bit more complicated to me than what's been discussed. Leaning on the word "fornication" and not understanding the Hebrew or Aramaic it was taken from changes the meaning a bit. (To explicit to explain here.) I highly suggest further study.

Complete fogen of the past does not mean from man point of view. To see this in New Testament it's important to have a good undastanding in ancient language or to have a good translation. For example:

1Timothy 5:9--

"When you select a worthy widow to help, select therefore one who is not less than three score years, who has been the wife of one man only..." -- we have one "man" in LBP, KJV, BOR, etc.

"A widow may be put on the widows' list if she is at least sixty years old and has been the wife of one husband..." -- we have one "husband" in  ISV, and in other verses in KJV, DCV, etc.

 

This does not mean a woman having she's past washed can teach men or can be a diaconess like Fivi or like Priscila...

1Ti 3:8-13--

Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

Let the deacons be the husbands (men) of one wife (woman), ruling their children and their own houses well.

For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

 

1Timothy 2:12 --

"I do not think it seemly for a woman to debate publicly or otherwise usurp the authority of men but should be silent." (LBP)

"But I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, rather, to be in silence". (KJV) 


Chandler Fulton said:

That is very true.  I didn't clarify this.
 
Solomon Avar said:

. I think if this person was an unbeliever when he/she did what they did, and then converted, that he/she has been completely forgiven of their past and renewed.

There is no doubt that all sins of a sexual nature, whether fornication, adultry, homosexual or lesbian activity, beastiality, pedophilia, prostitution, exibitionism, addiction to pornography, whatever, are, almost needless to say, serious, to put it mildly.

However, we have to consider that once we truly and sincerely accept Yahshua as our personal Messiah and Redeemer, and His shed blood as the remission for our sins, then we become a new creature in and through Him. We then begin living the lifestyle of the redeemed, which is living according to the instruction of Torah. This is call conversion.

If indeed we are a new crreature in Messiah, then Almighty Yahweh not only forgives our sins, but forgets them as well: Mikah 7:18 - 20 (19: He shall turn back, He shall have compassion on us, He shall trample upon our crookedness! And You throw all our sins into the depths of the sea).

We cannot forget that King David committed adultry and even murder, yet in the end, Yahweh said that David was a "...man after My own heart..." This was because David acknowleged his sin, didn't ake excuses for it, and sincerely repented from the depths of his heart. 

One problem is that people are not like Yahweh, some cannot and will not forget nor will they forgive. Some are like ghouls, dredging up the past sins of others, even beyond the grave.

Yahweh does not tolerate sin and He does and will punish all sin, Tehillim (Psalms) 99:8. However again, He is merciful and quick to forgive IF we repent. Repentance means change, Teshuvah, that is turing away from the sins of our past lives and turing toward Yahweh.

Let those who cannot fiorget the past dwell in the past. and let those who set themselves up a "judges" go on thinking they are judges. All that matters is that we know we are forgiven and they we do not have to continue being haunted by the past.  

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Chandler is misquoting Scripture. Only the high priest had to marry a virgin. Everyone else, including other priests, could marry a non-virgin. The Bible also allows priests to marry widows. Then there is the Levirite marriage law, when a man had no children by his wife and he dies, the brother of the dead husband must marry the widow. Also in the NT widows and divorced can remarry, but only if the divorce was Biblical. Yahshua allowed divorce and remarriage in the case of adultery. Some people also allow remarriage in the case of abandonment, which is viewed as a divorce in some cultures. We are not forbidden from marrying non-virgins. The only thing Chandler wrote that was true is that we are forbidden from marrying non-believers. There are plenty of Bible verses to show what is allowed regarding marriage, divorce, and remarriage. That is too much to post here and should already be common knowledge to anyone that calls themself a "believer", unless they are a new convert. Chandler and J. Jury, please admit you are wrong. Don't post inaccurate statements because it can lead people astray and cause them to sin.

Shalom

Christopher, while I agree with you on much that you wrote about a proper perspective of true biblical union [I do not use the term "marriage" for it is a modern legal construct designed to enslave men, and further destroy the Elohim-ordained union of man and woman], you are wrong to call Chandler and Jury out for the purposes of admitting to YOU that they are wrong. If you want to know the truth, YOU ARE WRONG, for your manner of handling the truth when seeking to correct an error in doctrine. They may not properly comprehend, but it is not our place to beat truth into anyone. Much of what is taught today and this is to be applied even to the "Hebrew Roots Movement", is in error, and it is not for you, nor anyone to teach men the truth, but the Father alone. We are not the keepers of truth, nor is it written anywhere that we are to persuade men, to see it our way. On the contrary we are merely vessels, and it is the Father, and ONLY the Father, Who is capable of teaching truth, and if He should be so pleased to use you as a vessel, you need to be very humble, to acknowledge that it is He Who ALONE deserves all the glory, and to step aside as He receives what is rightfully His. We, as Abba's seed, need to be careful to not disrespect the scripture regarding what it states in Yirmiyahu/Jeremiah, regarding the B'rit Hadasha, and of how men no longer need a man to teach them, but that ALL will be taught of the Father:

  

"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, KNOW THE LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." [31:33-34]

  

This scripture was fulfilled when Yahusha Ha'Mashiach said:

"It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of G-d/Elohim. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." [Yohanan/John 6:45]

 

Notice please, that it does not state, "every man therefore that hath heard of a man, cometh unto me"..?

 

Furthermore, it is written of the Ruach HaKodesh that we which are the seed of YaHUaH (YHUH) need not that any man teach us:

 

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." [I Yohanan/John 2:27]

 

We sow, and Apollos waters, but then we get out of the way, for it is Abba's Role - ONLY - to anoint His Word and make the seed come to fruition in a soul:

 

"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." [Yeshayahu/Isaiah 55:11]

 

"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as YaHUaH (YHUH) gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but G-d gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but G-d that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with G-d: ye are G-d's husbandry, ye are G-d's/Elohim's building." [I Qorinti'im/Corinthians 3:5-9]

 

If a man does not learn, as quickly as we'd prefer, or would even like, we really need to remember that it is not their fault, nor is it in our control!

 

Abba told me once, "It doesn't have to be the way you want, or the way you think, for Me to be in control!"

 

YaHUaH (YHUH) is SOVEREIGN!

 

Shalom Aleichem!

Tony

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