Jim, You are right that Passover should be the night of the 14th. But Yahshua was crucified on Passover:
On which day of the week was Yahshua crucified:
According to Luke 22:1, the feast of unleavened bread is also called the passover, referring to the whole feast as "passover".Also, the lamb is called passover.22:7"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed." In Ex. 12:1-6 we read this is Abib 14.Yahshua had this Passover meal the same day with his disciples.Mat.26:18-20.That morning Yahshua was crucified.Since a new day begins at sunset according to the Bible,it was still the day of the Passover.Yet John called that day the "preparation of the passover." Notice the word "passover" is in lower case here, where previously it began with a capital P. This is because, according to Luke 22:1, the Passover can mean the day of the Passover(capitalized), or the feast week(uncapitalized).The Passover day itself is not a day of rest, but the day after it is.Ex.12:16.The Passover evening comes first, when Yahshua had the meal with his disciples, the next morning is the time of the preparation for the feast week.Joseph placed Yahshua in the tomb on the same day.Luke 23:50-56.Yahshua said he would be in the earth for 3 days and 3 nights, or 3 whole days.Mat.12:40.Now we know that Yahshua was crucified on Abib 14,Passover,and he rose on Abib 17,after 3 whole days.But to know the days of the week,read and compare Mark 16:1-2;Luke 24:1;John 20:1. Now we know that Yahshua rose on Sunday. So, all we have to do is go back 3 days and we arrive at Thursday as the day of the crucifixion.This means that Friday was the day of rest,for the feast,and the Sabbath was the next day,also a day of rest.The women arrived Sunday.3 days from Thursday. Here is the timeline simplified: (Evening means NIGHT, and morning means DAY).
Abib 14 (Wednesday-Thursday) Abib 15 Abib 16 Abib 17 (Firstfruits)
Early evening:Passover meal Early evening:Matsah A weekly Sabbath Yahshua rose
Mid-evening:Yahshua's arrest Feast begins(A Sabbaton)
Early morning:The walk to Golgatha
Late morning:Yahshua is entombed
Regarding what was said in the show - 70Week - there are at least two lambs that are offered in homes. The 1st in the evening of 1st borns when we remember how the children of Israel have escaped in Egypt, and the 2nd is in the day after shabbat for the grain flower offering is done with a lamb as a perpetual statute in all dwellings for the feast of 1st fruit.
Maybe Caiaphas said not to be defiled just for the feast of unleavened bread (matzot) that last one week.
actuslly Scripture says that 14-21 is the seven days of passover: 14-21 is not 8 days but seven, when counted correctly.
this thread was a good debate and i think should be read in view of current related issue concerning Messiah's death. although most of Jim's presentation was from personal interpretations it appears that there are lots of messianics who want to break from traditional observance of the Jews.
the materials herein posted is still relevant for those who are aligned to Jim. but me and James Trimm may stay according to tradition.
Hi Beryl -
It is the modern Jews who have abandoned the traditional observance of The Passover, as is noted in The Jewish Encyclopedia articles quoted on my page.
They plainly say that two Holy Days spanning 8 days have been joined into one lasting 7 days.
The ancient Israelites in Egypt stayed inside and ate their Passover on the night of the 14th, not the night of the 15th, which is when the ancient Israelites migrated out of Egypt.
The modern Jews have totally abandoned The Passover and only observe The Feast of Unleavened Bread from the 15th to the 21st, they call it The Passover but the Passover is the night of the 14th, and the modern Jews acknowledge this when the fast for the dead Egyptians during the daylight portion of the 14th.
Those Egyptians died when The LORD passed over in the night of the 14th, and they are mourned during the daylight portion of the 14th during The Fast of The Firstborn.
how are you, hope it is well with you and yours.
i have actually reviewed this thread since there is currently a thread somewhat related into this one at point of time, bringing this once again into the front in the hope that your ideas can give light to some members who seem to concur to your position.
as for me though i cannot modify my observance. i have the privilege to enjoy the benefit of tradition that has gone for thousands of years now. i can argue and refute many of your points but it can be completely futile since you and i are looking at the two feasts from two different perspectives. i respect your opinion and i know someday you will realize the validity of our people's position. but it can take time for you, meantime i don't want to blight our friendship just for this issue, since each of us has come to the point of closing both ears from the other. :-)
please do continue to share your insights for the benefit of others.
shalom and good luck.