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Salvation- is Yahudah since old already been saved?

Shalom everybody! There is something I want everybody to have a very close look into it. It is something I came over in the last 2 weeks which is very much concerning me and because it is so negative in my eyes I also can "see" the danger it is doing to the sheep and goats so to speak. It looks like on the first view being a great thing to be falling into the category of bringing Ephrayim back to his homeland and uniting with his brother Yahudah. But what it really does is chocking to me and should be addressed for what it is. Before I go into detail and judgement, please go onto this website

Please read the whole thing until the very bottom of the page and do not leave out especially the disclaimer. !!
Let me know what you think.

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I'm confused.... Which "Library Room" are we looking at?

the library room doesn't matter as long you understand why I put this in here as a thread? It's chocking to me how everuthing gets twisted around so it just fits in everybody's wardrobe. It's out of the "library" of false doctrine and it's that we need to know about it and not close our eyes. By the way why are you marking me as I transliterate the Holy names? I don't think it is to pick on that for it is nothing wrong with it. Thank you. Have a blessed Shabbat Shalom Mikha'El

"Marking you"?

are you joking? please tell me your reason for doing so. This thread does not either has something to do how to spell Holy names or not? any ideas around the issue

Salvation- is Yahudah since old already been saved?


Sorry, I cannot understand your accusation. Doing what???? Did I say anything to you about spellings? If yes, please show me me where... Thank you....

Regarding your question... True Yahudah will be saved on the last day, not before as X-tianity teaches.

well if it was not you who marked the Holy names in my writing above with yellow marker, then I apologize.

Wern't me! :) 

There is an organisation called "Kol ha Tor", and its leader is Ovadyah Avrahami who works together with an orthodox rabbi, Mr. Avraham Feld. I have been coming over him already longer time ago and I thought he is one of them who understands the scriptures very well about Ephrayim coming back to Israel, as Yahudah is still in the process too, and we both get bound together in unity to be the one stick in the hand of Yah ac. to the Ezk. prophecy, the redeemed and reunited and one new man in the Messiah.

But what happens actually ac. to the false doctrine they both with Ovadyah on the lead are spreading is, to bring 2 brothers together under the condition of that Ephrayim humbles himself under Yahudah and their still until today exsisting orthodox rulings, and interpretations of Torah by saying and "613 laws" that all Torah is oral and doing away with he sacrifice Yahushua did for all of us, but ac. to them only for the nations and Ephrayim, but for Yahudah it is not relevant, not of need, because Yahudah has been stayed faithful to Yah, never got send away and doesn't need to be saved by Yahushua! They stayed and never were under the yoke of paganism neither got effected by it. So that might be true for some of Yahudah, a true remnant core which actually always has been in The Land since old, but they do need as well as everybody else get saved , redeemed, by the blood sacrifice of Yahushua??! All have sinned also them. It was Yahushua Himself who said that we shall be cautious about the sourdough of the pharisees. Now they do not need the blood sacrifice of our redeemer and messiah King ? I am not a teacher and I have been many times taught wrong and even been abused by false teachings, what is my own fault , because it is up to me to prove or disprove, but so much I can say for sure that this is a lie, that Orthodox Jews are saved. Only when they really accept Yahushua into their life and accept Him as Master and King over their new life which is actually His life, for a crooked sinful one in exchange.

I am not sure if I can ask so much of you James, but this is an hardcore issue and I would love to hear about it from you how You would disapprove this deceptive doctrine, that the Jews are saved.

All hats up for what Jews had to go through and survived, but that makes them neither saved nor righteous ..I am a German born and it breaks my heart to know what once under this idiot happened and how guilty so many were in this and it breaks more so my heart to hear Yahudah is the big exception , the eye apple of Yah, but doesn't need that same love we have been loved with and got saved by Yahushua's sacrifice! I love every single brother of Yahudah and because I love them so much I want them to be safe in the Messiah ben Joseph and ben David , for He is the only One who bring us home, Jew and Gentile alike, brings us to the ONE House of Yah, brings us to be the bride of Yah's son and reign together with Him in all eternity. Yahudah not been saved will will go the same way where Ephrayim or anyone else not been saved will go. Nobody can pass the tree where Yahushua was nailed on. If you do not, then you will be lost forever. No matter who and no matter what. Only through Yahushua Who is the Way to the Father.

ok then please forgive , I thought it was you! Strange ...Any way, I fixed it and the text appears without yellow text marking again. Sorry for that. Is there any thing else you want to comment on the discussion thread itself?

Mikha El said:

Wern't me! :) 

Only a couple of things....


"Yahudah has been faithful"

1) As a whole I would disagree, with whom you are speaking about, as many instances in scripture state differently. Not divorced as Ephraim, yet not entirely "faithful" ( no one is) either. REMNANT Yahudah (now called Nazarene Judaism) is entirely different subject. Better said... Remnant Yahudah has remained faithful and is absolutely certain of it's need of the true savior. 


"brings us to be the bride of Yah's son"

2) I've never agreed that the Assembly of Israel is feminine. Therefore it can neither allegorically or factually be the "bride" of Yeshua. Revelation plainly tells us what the bride is.    

Mikha El said:

2) I've never agreed that the Assembly of Israel is feminine. Therefore it can neither allegorically or factually be the "bride" of Yeshua. Revelation plainly tells us what the bride is.

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