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Straightfoward literal translation of Scripture??? Is Torah or other Scripture straight foward in its interpretation???

 Example: You shall not curse the deaf, and you shall not place a stumbling block before the blind, you shall fear your Eloyim, I am YEWE. What is its interpretation

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learn Hebrew, seriously because then you don't need to worry if a translator is wrong or not then you can see for yourself ;-)
PaRDeS
Is PaDReS a Jewish tradition or can you prove from Scripture the different levels of understanding exist or is every passage literal as it is written????? Also in learning Hebrew does it show that each passage coceals a true we can not always see??????

Shalom
Can't this be determined by just reading the literal passage?????

Shalom

Rick T. said:
Pardes (Jewish exegesis)
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sevynn leverette said:
Is PaDReS a Jewish tradition or can you prove from Scripture the different levels of understanding exist or is every passage literal as it is written????? Also in learning Hebrew does it show that each passage coceals a true we can not always see??????

Shalom
The Scriptures are not open for private interpretation (2nd Peter 1:20). Any time we deviate from the clear, simple, solid truth of what Yahweh has spoken, we begin to delve into private interpretation.
so exegesis is not acceptable or PaDReS of Scripture are they both considered private interpretation?????

Shalom

J. Jury said:
The Scriptures are not open for private interpretation (2nd Peter 1:20). Any time we deviate from the clear, simple, solid truth of what Yahweh has spoken, we begin to delve into private interpretation.
2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation.
21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit

This doesn't preclude PaRDeS, in and of itself.
It doesn't really say "private interpretation", it talks about the origin of the canonized Scriptures.
Though I think God DOES operate on a "2+ witnesses" system, causing at least two saints/chosen ones to (eventually) come to an understanding of a doctrine, if it be a truthful doctrine.
A private interpretation has nothing to do with exegesis or PaDReS?????? A private interpretation is speaking your own heart on a matter of Scripture.

Exegesis or PaDReS is a concealed matter hidden within the passage to those led by the Ruach to reveal the truth of YEWE,

Shalom

Christian said:
2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation.
21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit

This doesn't preclude PaRDeS, in and of itself.
It doesn't really say "private interpretation", it talks about the origin of the canonized Scriptures.
Though I think God DOES operate on a "2+ witnesses" system, causing at least two saints/chosen ones to (eventually) come to an understanding of a doctrine, if it be a truthful doctrine.
I'm not saying that PaRDeS nor Exegesis are unacceptable.

I'm saying that a clear, simple, straight forward, literal reading of the Scriptures is the only thing that righteous men can agree on as objective truth. It is the only standard of objective truth.

sevynn leverette said:
so exegesis is not acceptable or PaDReS of Scripture are they both considered private interpretation?????

Shalom

J. Jury said:
The Scriptures are not open for private interpretation (2nd Peter 1:20). Any time we deviate from the clear, simple, solid truth of what Yahweh has spoken, we begin to delve into private interpretation.
PaDReS is the exaxt opposite of your argument it is a message concealed inside the literal passage??????
not straight foward, YEWE speaks in parables, not straight foward, why say if you have ears to hear, and eyes to see if it was a literal straightfoward message????

Shalom

J. Jury said:
I'm not saying that PaRDeS nor Exegesis are unacceptable.

I'm saying that a clear, simple, straight forward, literal reading of the Scriptures is the only thing that righteous men can agree on as objective truth. It is the only standard of objective truth.

sevynn leverette said:
so exegesis is not acceptable or PaDReS of Scripture are they both considered private interpretation?????

Shalom

J. Jury said:
The Scriptures are not open for private interpretation (2nd Peter 1:20). Any time we deviate from the clear, simple, solid truth of what Yahweh has spoken, we begin to delve into private interpretation.
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

I've said (several times) I'm ok with in depth studies, exegesis, PaRDeS, etc... as long as it does not violate the simple, literal, straight forward reading of the Scriptures. I will not argue that Scripture may have multiple "layers" of understanding, which can be great for personal study and research, but that the simple, literal, straight forward reading is always the one to live by and establish doctrine by.

For instance, "Do not boil a kid in its mothers milk." Some people twist this to say, "Do not eat meat and dairy together." and this blatantly violates the simple, literal, straight forward reading. I'm not just picking on the Rabbinics on this one, there are many examples of people doing this, and they are adding to the commandments and precepts of God. Things such as, "Do not have sex on the Sabbath" is another prime example.

The commandments that He has given are not burdensome, nor are they grievous, nor are they too difficult. They are simple. Literal. Straight forward.

sevynn leverette said:
PaDReS is the exaxt opposite of your argument it is a message concealed inside the literal passage??????
not straight foward, YEWE speaks in parables, not straight foward, why say if you have ears to hear, and eyes to see if it was a literal straightfoward message???? Shalom

J. Jury said:
I'm not saying that PaRDeS nor Exegesis are unacceptable.

I'm saying that a clear, simple, straight forward, literal reading of the Scriptures is the only thing that righteous men can agree on as objective truth. It is the only standard of objective truth.

sevynn leverette said:
so exegesis is not acceptable or PaDReS of Scripture are they both considered private interpretation?????

Shalom

J. Jury said:
The Scriptures are not open for private interpretation (2nd Peter 1:20). Any time we deviate from the clear, simple, solid truth of what Yahweh has spoken, we begin to delve into private interpretation.
I think the point Jury is making is that the Commandments, not the Prophecies or symbolic events, not the Gospel parables nor necessarily the historical books, but the Commandments are on a surface level understandable and straightforward, and whatever deeper meaning they may have is not essential to salvation.

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