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Hosea 2:11.  I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her New Moons, her Sabbaths all her appointed feasts.

 

The "her" here is Israel. I read this as the Feasts and Sabbaths are SUSPENDED until the Return of Messiah. This is in conjuction with the absence of the Temple where the corresponding prescribed sacrifices even in sabbath are non-existent today.

 

In other words although we keep tab of the appointed times or moedim, however we celebrate or memorialize the Feasts, they are not the biblical Feasts itself but made up human renditions.

 

In my desire to keep Torah, I want to keep the Feasts. But how do we keep the Feasts according to Scripture without the sacrifices?

 

Today, most Messianics and Nazarenes are keeping the Feasts according to Pharisee/Rabbinate traditions and times. Although the Karaites try to use the harvest and moon times, they too do not have the proper sacrifices.

 

In general, how to we keep Torah without the Temple?     

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Thank you for being an insultive brother who is suppose to be loving. The whole point of why I opened this discussion is not to flaunt I am better than you spirit. On the contrary, I am really looking for the truth. Hence all my ignorance is before you. I see that you are THE MAN who knows all things with the spirit of intellectual violence instead of loving kindness.

So are you saying today the Jews are keeping Torah the way Messiah wants them to keep Torah? And are you saying that the sacrifices in the Bible, e.g. 2 lambs sacrifced on Sabbath need not be kept anymore?

So Mr. Better than I, please just answer my question and not insult me. So how do we keep the Feasts in accordance to the Bible TODAY? Give me YOUR divine liturgies and prayers or probably just point me back to the Rabbis who have not lifted the CURSE of the people of YHVH for 2000+ years because of their false religiousity.

Once again, why is the spirit of a simple discussion have to be so abrasive?

beryl etanah said:
"Now is it Torah faithful to sacrifce a lamb just like the very first Pesach before leaving Egypt?"

it is more accursed for you to insist on sacrifices at a time when G-d has withdrawn the temple from Jerushalyim. Mat.24:2

"Is it right in our own eyes to sacrifice outside a non-existent Temple?"

which among us here who has made such a sacrifice?

"When you made me notice the "her" and "my", are the "her" Israel's man-made feasts such as what the Rabbis and keeping today e.f. seders. Of "my" means the Feasts YHVH have written which is forever but we are unable to keep as exactly prescibed without the Temple?

it explains you know very little about the law. Roderick i advise you study more about Jewish matters before you open your mouth.

"The way we celebrte the Feasts, are they not also same as the man made Rabbinical liturgies? Right in our own eyes?"

"...All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do..." Mat.23:2. and don't tell me roderick that in this passages Yeshua' was talking about your bishops who know nothing about mosaic halachot.

Roderick Nepomuceno said:
So how did Daniel kept the Feasts? He prayed 3 times a day corresponding to the Temple sacrifices. A clue I got is this: Psalms 141

1. YHVH I cry out to You; Make haste to me! Give ear to my voice when I cry out to You.
2. Let my prayer be set before You as incense, The lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice.

Now is it Torah faithful to sacrifce a lamb just like the very first Pesach before leaving Egypt? Consider:
Deut 12:
5. "But you shall seek the place where the Lord your God chooses, out of all your tribes, to put His name for His habitation; and there you shall go.
6. "There you shall take your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes, the heave offerings of your hand, your vowed offerings, your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and flocks.
7. "And there you shall eat before the Lord your God, and you shall rejoice in all to which you have put your hand, you and your households, in which the Lord your God has blessed you.
8. "You shall not at all do as we are doing here today every man doing whatever is right in his own eyes

Is it right in our own eyes to sacrifice outside a non-existent Temple?

When you made me notice the "her" and "my", are the "her" Israel's man-made feasts such as what the Rabbis and keeping today e.f. seders. Of "my" means the Feasts YHVH have written which is forever but we are unable to keep as exactly prescibed without the Temple?

The way we celebrte the Feasts, are they not also same as the man made Rabbinical liturgies? Right in our own eyes?
i will qoute my brother here;

Judah is a good example - and the only example.
Look to how the Jews celebrate feasts in the Diaspora.
Unlike us potential / hypothetical Israelites, the sons of Judah have actually labored to keep the tradition in Diaspora, and have much experience.
Our forefathers preferred Assyrian / pagan ways, and unlike Judah, did not pass down any Abrahamic/Mosaic tradition to their children whatsoever.


Roderick Nepomuceno said:
Dear Serkan,

Do you then believe that the House of Judah is keeping the Feasts correctly because they have been doing it for a long time? .
ummm .. what ??? the old syriac is a greek translation but the current NT Peshitta is from the Apostles themselves, the originals i mean the Peshitta is in Galilaen Aramaic i doubt the old syriac is

James Trimm said:
The Peshitta is actually a revision of the Old Syriac Text

See the following blogs:

http://nazarenespace.ning.com/xn/detail/2182335:BlogPost:20615

http://nazarenespace.ning.com/xn/detail/2182335:BlogPost:20617

http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/codex-phillipps-1388

http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/old-syriac-heritage-of...

Even better, see my book The Hebrew and Aramaic Origin of the New Testament
http://www.lulu.com/nazarene


Jim Wright said:
Because they are not corrupt - The masoritic Text and The Peshitta have been carefully copied using a Massora to ensure that no changes are made -

Here is a link to a short booklet proving no letters are missing from The Torah and that the writer knew pi out to 500,000 decimal places:

http://www.research-systems.com/codes/mathcode-web.pdf

You don't think Jesus lied do you?

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5.18

There is couple of letters messed up in the Writings and The Prophets - but not near enough to destroy the encryption.

And The Eastern Peshitta seems to be intact - it is so short that one or two letters would destroy the troidal searches.

Blessings -

Jim
I was just going over my translation of the Book of Tobit and I realized we have a good example in this book. While the Temple was still standing in Tobit's day, he was either forbidden to go there or it was impractical for him to go there for every feast. Yet the first chapter of Tobit details how pious he was in observing Torah, and even has him commemorating Shavuot with a banquet there in Ninevah. (See Tobit Chapter 1)
I know what I beleive regarding the sacrifices:

1. I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Romans 12.1+2

8. The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.
9. The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the Lord: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness. Proverbs 15.8+9

To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice. Proverbs 21.3

For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. Hosea 6.6

The first and last passages above supply the answer on how to observe the feasts - dedicate your life to The LORD and understand the meaning of The Feasts, for they act out The LORD's plan for mankind:

http://www.lumberguy.net/FAQ7.html

Blessings -

Jim

beryl etanah said:
" Hosea 2:11. I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her New Moons, her Sabbaths all her appointed feasts. The "her" here is Israel. I read this as the Feasts and Sabbaths are SUSPENDED until the Return of Messiah."

the passage did not apply to the Jewish people {in Jerushalyim} but to the northern kingdom, {the kingdom of israel in the north} which (who was) heavily corrupted of idolatry and heinous sins, cf. v.1:2.

indeed this prophecy came true when the kingdom of israel (the north) was ended like a broken bow (v.1:5), their feasts (which often did not center in Jerushalyim), their new moons and Sabbaths did cease with them. however, these lost tribes ('lost sheep of the house of israel' according to the Messhiah, Mat.10:6) shall soon be gathered with us in the final days, in His glorious second coming as Messhiah ben Dovid, v.1:11, cf. Mat. 25:31; 16:27.

but NOT so with the Jews in the south, v.1:7, we continue in the faithfulness to G-d, for salvation is of us Jn.4:22. this means, the Jewish nation has always been a part of G-d's universal plan of bringing the whole creation back to Him Mat.3:1-3l.

"This is in conjuction with the absence of the Temple where the corresponding prescribed sacrifices even in sabbath are non-existent today."

"You fool... whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein; and he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of G-d, and by him that sitteth thereon." Mat.23:21-22.

it means that the commandments of G-d became effective even before the Temple rose in Jerushalyim, and the same commandments stand even after it fell to the romans in 70CE. bear in mind that not the Temple but Heaven and Earth are the sole witnesses for G-d's commandments, Mat 5:17-19.

enough of your hypocrisy.

"In other words although we keep tab of the appointed times or moedim, however we celebrate or memorialize the Feasts, they are not the biblical Feasts itself but made up human renditions.

tab? do you read your bible?

"if you have nothing to do, don't do it here."


"In my desire to keep Torah, I want to keep the Feasts. But how do we keep the Feasts according to Scripture without the sacrifices?"

tell me: how many sacrifices do you and your family need in order to celebrate a simple Shabbat?
or how many bulls do you need to sacrifice in order to build one simple sukkha?
a lazy man stays at home all day long, he cannot go to work in the field because he says 'there is a lion on the road', and he cannot bake a simple matzah because he says 'the rabbi is a thousand miles away', finally, he cannot fast in the Yom Kippurim because he says 'it is a bad omen to be hungry after the new year'.

"Today, most Messianics and Nazarenes are keeping the Feasts according to Pharisee/Rabbinate traditions and times."

and to which tradition do you want them to follow? the tradition of the catholic church?

"Although the Karaites try to use the harvest and moon times, they too do not have the proper sacrifices.

what are the requisites of your *proper sacrifice*? define.
The Peshitta is NOT in Galilean Aramaic. Galilean Aramaic is a Western dialect similar to that found in the Targums, Jerusalem Talmud and Dead Sea Scrolls... while the Peshitta and Old Syriac are both in Syriac Aramaic an Eastern Dialect of Aramaic much more like that of the Babylonian Talmud and Zohar. In fact in my book the Hebrew and Aramaic Origin of the New Testament (http://www.lulu.com/nazarene ) I give several examples where the Old Syriac disagrees with the Peshitta by using phrases and words that are unique to Jewish dialects of Aramaic and not normally proper in Syriac Aramaic.

Serkan said:
ummm .. what ??? the old syriac is a greek translation but the current NT Peshitta is from the Apostles themselves, the originals i mean the Peshitta is in Galilaen Aramaic i doubt the old syriac is

"Do you then believe that the House of Judah is keeping the Feasts correctly because they have been doing it for a long time?"

we do not JUST BELIEVE, we READ from the testimony of a prophet: "Ephraim compasseth me about with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit: but Judah yet ruleth with God, and is faithful with the saints." Hosea 11:12.

"Please re-read your history that the Pharisee were the origins of today's Rabbis. If they really kept the Feasts then Messiah would not have to correct them and the Kingdom of YHVH would beenestablished in 30CE."

come now advance and proffer thy cause: WHICH HALACHIC POINT OF THE FEASTS that the Moshiach had any issue or complaint?

"Also it had been 2000+ years that Rabbinism ruled the Jewish people. In all those years the CURSE have not been lifted. If they were keeping Torah correctly, the CURSE would have been lifted according to Leviticus 26."

answer me:

a) is it a curse to have been able to survive from the persecutions of the Church throughout centuries? the roman emperors and their soldiers, the barbarians and the inquisition have gone and vanished from the face of earth yet the Jewish people who cling to their G-d and continued in the Torah remain as it is this day.

b) is it a curse that after being deprived by the roman potentates of our land we are now standing on the same land of our fathers singing "... 'od lo' 'avdah tekvateynu... lehiyot 'od chefshey ba'artzeynu eretz Tzion beyrushalayim!" my sons and daughters are in the land of my fathers!

c) is it a curse that after Hitler committed genocide we are still here?

d) is it a curse that despite surrounded of nine big enemies we have the capability to enlarge and patiently return borders to them?

e) finally, is it a curse, that after centuries of disbelief (due to misguided missions of the Church) our people are now beginning to accept our very own Messhiah?

do not count on your antisemitic numbers; count the blessings instead.

"...obviously Rabbinic traditions have to be revisited and boil it down to the original Torah."

how to boil Torah? tell us...

and who will be that conjurer to exorcise torah away from every bit of humanity?

'Rabbi does not mean teacher but it means your master."

how will you call a Master Sargeant in the army? how do you call the master cutter in the tailor shop? and what sin was that committed by king sholomo for hiring a master-builder Hiram Abif?

"Do you know if the Rabbis ever kept Yovel?"

read halachot on yovel first before asking the question. that is your homework.

"There is only one Master and that is Messiah."

Master of Heaven and Earth? ...Yes. {if you capitalize 'M' }

but don't forget you must have hundreds of M.A.s before you can promote a dozen of Ph.D.s. and let me tell you, fallacies like 'equivocation' and 'ignoracio elenches' have no place in the serious forum, you can go and debate with protestant seminarians to play with that.

"Both Judah and Israel have strayed."

it is so written...yes.

but what about the greeks and the romans? have they not strayed even in the common era? don't be hypocrite.

"Only Judah was given the chance to stay in the Eretz."

by whom?... by the pope?

and why did G-d *gave* such a chance to us but not to others? be honest.

"But this does not endorse thier practices as valid. All it is is prophecy unfolding."

and you don't count a single ounce of *merit* that the entire nation deserves for being *faithful* to G-d's laws and commandments?

"So this debate on Passover according to the Rabbis is irrelevant in this discussion unless you are saying they have it right which by history is proven to be erroneous."

and who are you to judge anyone concerning *Passover* if you don't even have the least experience nay formal *knowledge* concerning the subject? don't pretend.

are you a prophet?

"Let us keep a spirit of Shalom in this discussion with as much gentleness possible as we pursue Truth. Thanks again Brothers."

agreed.
"Thank you for being an insultive brother who is suppose to be loving."

your language against the Pharisees, Rabbis and our traditions are love-less and insulting; do not expect to gather apples from tares. here, in the nazarene-space you have a good ground to sow your seeds and you will reap what you sow: an eye for an eye tooth for a tooth.

"The whole point of why I opened this discussion is not to flaunt I am better than you spirit. On the contrary, I am really looking for the truth. Hence all my ignorance is before you."

if this were true you would have even the reservations to avoid insulting our traditions.

".. I see that you are THE MAN who knows all things with the spirit of intellectual violence instead of loving kindness.

it is only your *eyes* who see it that way.

"So are you saying today the Jews are keeping Torah the way Messiah wants them to keep Torah?"

that is an impossible question: who can read the mind of Messhiah and conclude this is what He WANTS, and that is not what He WANTS!

you know roderick you are fond of laying *pregnant* arguments and i swear you will never catch me with that.

be reminded that-- good answers can come only from good questions. this means that if you want to obtain a healthy answer oblige your self to offer a healthy question first.

"... And are you saying that the sacrifices in the Bible, e.g. 2 lambs sacrifced on Sabbath need not be kept anymore?"

yes.

read the book of Hebrews. and from now on do not *unconditionally attach* Torah keeping to the priesthood. just keep in mind that the Constitution has to be kept, while the Legislature reserves the right to erect or dismantle any or all branches of Bureaus or Directorate. G-d owns Torah although He has delivered it to his people already, which means He can modify any point of it with or wihout prior notice according to His universal plan. He is the TRUE MASTER of the Universe.

"So Mr. Better than I,..."

i am Beryl and i have addressed you Roderick.

be courteous still.

"... please just answer my question and not insult me."

i have answered one good question above. just try to get the point. i know you are intelligent, i can tell it by the way you express your thoughts in the English language: you are a well educated person.

only that... never insult Jewish traditions for i am here and it hurts.

"So how do we keep the Feasts in accordance to the Bible TODAY?"

according to the Bible... just the way it was centuries ago.

"Give me YOUR divine liturgies and prayers or probably just point me back to the Rabbis who have not lifted the CURSE of the people of YHVH for 2000+ years because of their false religiousity."

this one cannot come from a heart who has not lifted his "ANTISEMITIC" biases. i know how your churches poisoned your mind. this statement is a common tenet in the sunday pulpits.

"Once again, why is the spirit of a simple discussion have to be so abrasive?"

because the gentiles *honed* me so.
right on Jim.

Jim Wright said:
Hello James -

What you are calling mistakes and hideous gramatical errors are carefully copied anomilies that if it was written the way you think it should be would totally destroy the encryption effect.

Just as if the the word Peniel / Penuel was to be spelled the same way in both verses in Genesis 32 - the Codes would suffer.

And if the Atbash Encryptions in Jeremiah were written with the plain words the entire Code effect would be destroyed in the troidal searches.

http://www.lumberguy.net/AtbashCodes.html

These so-called mistakes are not mistakes at all - they are necessary for the encryption.

In the versions where these so-called mistakes are corrected there is no encryption effect at all.

Please read the booklet I linked to and see the effect that leaving the two inverted nuns out which between Deuteronomy 10.35 + 10.36

Take them out it reads "you are a naive calculator"

include them it reads "you calculate for the good" + the entire calculation of the chapter adds up

They are not mistakes

I am very thankful the Scribes copied what they were given and not what they thought should be there.

Blessings -

Jim

James Trimm said:
The Masoretic Text is also not perfect.

The HRV Tanak it translated primarily from the Hebrew Masoretic Text however there are some readings in which other versions and manuscripts such as the Septuagint, the Peshitta Tanak and/or the Dead Sea Scrolls preserve an obviously original reading which was lost from the Masoretic Text and which the HRV version has restored (with
an explanatory footnote). The following are just two examples:

Psalm 145 is an acrostic Psalm. This means that each section of the Psalm begins with each of the 22 Hebrew letters from ALEF through TAV. However in the Masoretic Text the section that should begin with a NUN is missing from the text entirely! However in the Septuagint, the Peshitta Tanak, one Hebrew ms. from the middle ages, and the Dead Sea Scroll copy of this Psalm (11QPs(a)) the missing section appears immediately after Ps. 145:13: "YHWH is faithful to all his promises, and loving toward all he has made.” The Hebraic-Roots restores the "lost" NUN section along with an explanatory footnote.

Next let us examine Isaiah 53:11. In the Hebrew of the Masoretic Text this verse has a serious grammatical problem. The Hebrew of the Masoretic Text reads literally:

From the travail of his soul he shall see ________
shall be satisfied in his understanding.
My Righteous servant shall justify many
and their iniquities he bears.

There is very clearly a missing word in the Hebrew resulting in two verbs in a row "shall see" and "shall be satisfied". What shall he see? Now the missing word "light" DOES appear in the Septuagint and has also now turned up in two Hebrew copies of Isaiah found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The passage SHOULD read (as it does in the HRV):

From the travail of his soul he shall see light
and shall be satisfied in his understanding.
My Righteous servant shall justify many
and their iniquities he bears.
(Is. 53:11 HRV translation)

(In the HRV the missing word "light" is restored with an explanatory footnote).

The anti-missionaries have made the claim that Christians changed
Ps. 22:16 (17) to read "they have pierced" rather than "like a lion".

Now let us seek the TRUTH on this matter:

The difference between these two readings is one letter.

KARU (KAF-ALEF-RESH-VAV) "They have pierced"
(KAR means "pierced" and the -U means "they")

KARI (KAF-ALEF-RESH-YUD) "Like a lion"
(K- means "like" and ARI means "lion")

The difference is between a VAV and a YUD. The misreading of a VAV
for a YUD or a YUD for a VAV is a frequent scribal error in Hebrew
and Aramaic manuscripts. This is clearly not an intentional change
but a common scribal error.

Now let us try to determine which was the original reading.

First off let us look up this passage in the BHS (Biblia Hebraica
Stuttgartensia). Here we find a footnote that reads:

"pc Mss Edd KAF-ALEF-RESH-VAV, 2Mss Edd KAF-RESH-VAV cf G(S)..."

To transalate this note into lay terms it says:

"A few manuscripts read KARU (KAF-ALEF-RESH-VAV) and two manuscripts
read KARU (KAF-RESH-VAV)and the Greek Septuagint has [pierced]"

In other words while MOST Masoretic Text manuscripts read KARI
("like a lion") SEVERAL read "they have pierced" (two possible
spellings) as does the Greek Septuagint.

The Greek Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Tanak that was
completed by about 200 to 160 BCE.

The Peshitta Aramaic Tanak also has "they have pierced" in this
passage. According to the Encyclopedia Judaica article on "Bible"
The Peshitta ARamaic was produced by Jews for Assyrian and Syrian
converts to Judaism in the first century BCE.

Now lets look at the oldest extant Hebrew copy of this Psalm which
was found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. If we look in THE DEAD SEA
SCROLLS BIBLE under Psalm 22 on pages 518-519 we read:

"They have pierced my hands and my feet."

We are directed to footnote 41 which says:

"5/6HevPs MT(mss) LXX. Like a lion are MT."

In layman's terms this note means:

In the Dead Sea Scroll manuscript designated "5/6HevPs", some
Masoretic Text manuscripts and the Septuagint the reading is "they
have pierced" while most Masoretic Text manuscripts read "like a
lion are".

A header above this section of Psalm 22 reads:

"Psalm 22 is a favorite among Christians since it is often linked in
the New Testament with the suffering and death of Jesus. A well-
known and controversial reading is found in verse 16, where the
Masoretic Text reads "Like a lion are my hands and feet," whereas
the Septuagint has "They have pierced my hands and feet." Among the
scrolls the reading in question is found only in the Psalms scroll
found at Nahal Hever (abreviated 5/6HevPs), which reads "They have
pierced my hands and my feet"!"

Moreover the grammar does not work for "like a lion" since the
phrase would lake a verb. Many insert additional words to MAKE the
text read "Like a lion [they are at] my hands and my feet". The
understood verb of being does not work here because "Like a lion are
my hand and my feet" makes about as much sense as "Like a pizza are
my hands and my feet".

OK lets review the facts:

1. Only the Masoretic Text (which originated in the 9th Century CE)
has "like a lion" and even then some copies have "they have pierced".

2. ALL other versions INCLUDING the Greek Septuagent and Aramaic
Peshitta Tanak read "they have pierced".

3. The error itself is an accidental scribal error and NOT an
intentional change.

4. By far the OLDEST Hebrew copy of the Psalm from the Dead Sea
Scrolls reads "they have pierced"

5. The reading "like a lion" does not fit the grammar.

6. Several copies and versions from BEFORE the life of Yeshua
have "they have pierced" and NO copy or version prior to the 9th
century CE has "like a lion."

THEREFORE:

Yes, so-called Anti-Missionaries including Singer have CLAIMED
that Christians altered this text so as to make it read "they have
pierced"... this is a SERIOUS accusation and the bottom line is that
they have LIED. The reading "they have pierced" existed BEFORE
Christianity existed, the cribal error in question was clearly NOT
intentiona land the textual evidence points STRONGLY to "they have
pierced" as the original reading.

The term “Masorah” refers to the marginal notes which were transmitted by the Masorites along with the Masoretic Text. The notes transmitted in the side margins are called the “Masorah Parva” or “Masorah Katonah”. The notes transmitted on the top and bottom margins are the “Masorah Magna” also known as “Masorah Gedolah”. Finally the notes transmitted at the end of the text are the Masorah Finalis.

Among the notes preserved in the Massorah Gedolah are those of the Tikkun Soferim (“Emendations of the Scribes”). Among the Tikkun Soferim are eighteen notations which indicate that the scribes, finding the original reading irreverent, emended the reading to one less offensive. Each of these eighteen readings are indicated with footnotes in the Hebraic Roots Version (see notes to Gen. 18:22; Num. 11:15; 12:12; 1Sam. 3:13; 2Sam. 16:12; 20:1; 1Kn. 12:16; Jer. 2:11; Ezek. 8:17; Hose 4:7; Hab. 1:12; Zech. 2:12; Mal. 1:13; Job 7:20; 32:3; Lam. 3:20 and 2Chron. 10:16). These footnotes also compare other textual readings from other witnesses such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Samaritan Pentateuch, Septuagint, Peshitta Tanak and Targums to these readings.

The Massorah also notes 134 places where the Masoretic Text reads “Adonai” but which, according to the Masorah, originally read “YHWH”. In each of these locations the HRV has “YHWH” in the main text along with a footnote explaining that the Masoretic Text reads “Adonai” but that the Massorah indicates the original reading was “YHWH”. These footnotes also compare readings from other textual witnesses as to whether they support YHWH or Adonai in the reading in question.

There are also several places where the Masoretic Text reads “Elohim” but which the Massorah indicates the original reading was “YHWH”. In these verses the HRV has “ELOHIM” in all caps.

(For documentation regarding the Massorah and the Tikkun Soferim see: Old Testament Textual Criticism, a Practical Introduction by Ellis R. Brotzman pp. 54-55, 116-120; The Masorah of Biblia Hebraica Struttgartensia by Kelley, Mynatt and Crawford pp. 1-11, 23-28, 37-43, 191; The Tiqqune Sopherim by C. McCarthy; “Scribal Emendations” by E.J. Revell, Anchor Bible Dictionary; Introduction to the Massoretic-Critical Edition of the Hebrew Bible, by C. Ginsburg; pp. 347-363 & Chapter 3. Massorah Gedolah, Vol. 1 G.E. Weil, 1971. The Massorah, C. Ginsburg paragraphs 107-115.)

Jim Wright said:
There is two versions of The Masoretic Text which exhibit the encryption effect.

The one I use is The Koren Text - I do not recall what the other is called.

These are the only Two Old Testament Texts which show the code effect.

The difference between the two is 14 letters - no words.

I think the mistakes are spit between the two - it keeps us from seeing the full Code effect.

It would take 72 additional changes to totally destroy the effect.

The Torah is identical in both, in fulfillment of The LORD's prophecy in Matthew 5.18.

The only New Testament text to exhibit encryption is the eastern Peshitta - it says about the 6th hour in John 19.14

I beleive it - the very letters are from God - the Codes prove it.

Jim

Anaiah Priel (Andrew P) Carlson said:
Peshitta, and most other manuscripts, say in John chapter 19 that it was the sixth hour that Messiah was crucified. when actually, it was the third hour, as the other gospels say. a few greek manuscripts render it as third hour instead of sixth hour, and this is the true reading.

i'm not familiar with the koren text. is that related to masoretic?
Okay this one is quite a good question:

"I am not advocating not to keep the Feasts. I am asking HOW do we keep the Feasts without the sacrifices and Temple and priesthood...TODAY."

you must be aware already that what you are soliciting is a very broad subject that a dozen posts cannot be enough for a start. so let me point you to read and learn if you want from this site. there is a searcher for your convenience.

"Unless, like Judah and Israel, we appoint our own priests, sacrifices,and Temple. Then in essence it is NOT YHVH's Feasts but ours."

all of the seven major feasts can be kept even without the temple; and three (3) require aliyah of men to Yerushalyim IF the temple stands.

the sacrifices inside the temple are a co-effecient actions which, by way of res-ipsa-loquitur, G-d has motu propio absolved by withdrawing the temple from earth and not sending a prophet to rebuild it up to present.

from the Order of things, no man may voluntarily erect a temple except G-d alone; this bespeaks an absolute prohibition under the pain of blasphemy and death. but rest of the laws and commandments stand so long as heaven and earth stand.


Roderick Nepomuceno said:
OK guys I get it. The Feasts reffered to in Hosea 2:11 are not YHVH's Feasts. Everyone had been telling me that all the Feasts are being celebrated before, during, and after the destruction of the Temple. I am not advocating not to keep the Feasts. I am asking HOW do we keep the Feasts without the sacrifices and Temple and priesthood...TODAY.
Unless, like Judah and Israel, we appoint our own priests, sacrifices,and Temple. Then in essence it is NOT YHVH's Feasts but ours.
If that is the case, then HOW DO WE celebrate the Feasts exactly as prescribed in the Bible? Give me the exact liturgies. Do we do it today with sacrifices? If not what are your Biblical foundations for celebrating without or with the sacrifices.

It does not matter to me the historicity of the 2 Houses. What I am interested in is the HOW in celebrating the Feasts TODAY....not in the past or in the future...but NOW.

Even if you cited that the Feasts in Hosea are really the pagan practices of Israel and also Judah, it does not change the fact that we today cannot celebrate the Feasts as exactly written in the Scriptures. We all know that what is prescribed is a priesthood, the Place where His Name is, and real life blood sacrifices.

So HOW do we celebrate the Feasts today?
Jim,

What actual evidence do you have that the Masoretic Text (which did not exist until the 9th century CE) is "perfect"?
Don't say Bibile codes, because that is circular thinking, the Bible codes are only real if the text is accurate in the first place. Similar Codes have been found in Moby Dick.


beryl etanah said:
right on Jim.

Jim Wright said:
Hello James -

What you are calling mistakes and hideous gramatical errors are carefully copied anomilies that if it was written the way you think it should be would totally destroy the encryption effect.

Just as if the the word Peniel / Penuel was to be spelled the same way in both verses in Genesis 32 - the Codes would suffer.

And if the Atbash Encryptions in Jeremiah were written with the plain words the entire Code effect would be destroyed in the troidal searches.

http://www.lumberguy.net/AtbashCodes.html

These so-called mistakes are not mistakes at all - they are necessary for the encryption.

In the versions where these so-called mistakes are corrected there is no encryption effect at all.

Please read the booklet I linked to and see the effect that leaving the two inverted nuns out which between Deuteronomy 10.35 + 10.36

Take them out it reads "you are a naive calculator"

include them it reads "you calculate for the good" + the entire calculation of the chapter adds up

They are not mistakes

I am very thankful the Scribes copied what they were given and not what they thought should be there.

Blessings -

Jim

James Trimm said:
The Masoretic Text is also not perfect.

The HRV Tanak it translated primarily from the Hebrew Masoretic Text however there are some readings in which other versions and manuscripts such as the Septuagint, the Peshitta Tanak and/or the Dead Sea Scrolls preserve an obviously original reading which was lost from the Masoretic Text and which the HRV version has restored (with
an explanatory footnote). The following are just two examples:

Psalm 145 is an acrostic Psalm. This means that each section of the Psalm begins with each of the 22 Hebrew letters from ALEF through TAV. However in the Masoretic Text the section that should begin with a NUN is missing from the text entirely! However in the Septuagint, the Peshitta Tanak, one Hebrew ms. from the middle ages, and the Dead Sea Scroll copy of this Psalm (11QPs(a)) the missing section appears immediately after Ps. 145:13: "YHWH is faithful to all his promises, and loving toward all he has made.” The Hebraic-Roots restores the "lost" NUN section along with an explanatory footnote.

Next let us examine Isaiah 53:11. In the Hebrew of the Masoretic Text this verse has a serious grammatical problem. The Hebrew of the Masoretic Text reads literally:

From the travail of his soul he shall see ________
shall be satisfied in his understanding.
My Righteous servant shall justify many
and their iniquities he bears.

There is very clearly a missing word in the Hebrew resulting in two verbs in a row "shall see" and "shall be satisfied". What shall he see? Now the missing word "light" DOES appear in the Septuagint and has also now turned up in two Hebrew copies of Isaiah found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The passage SHOULD read (as it does in the HRV):

From the travail of his soul he shall see light
and shall be satisfied in his understanding.
My Righteous servant shall justify many
and their iniquities he bears.
(Is. 53:11 HRV translation)

(In the HRV the missing word "light" is restored with an explanatory footnote).

The anti-missionaries have made the claim that Christians changed
Ps. 22:16 (17) to read "they have pierced" rather than "like a lion".

Now let us seek the TRUTH on this matter:

The difference between these two readings is one letter.

KARU (KAF-ALEF-RESH-VAV) "They have pierced"
(KAR means "pierced" and the -U means "they")

KARI (KAF-ALEF-RESH-YUD) "Like a lion"
(K- means "like" and ARI means "lion")

The difference is between a VAV and a YUD. The misreading of a VAV
for a YUD or a YUD for a VAV is a frequent scribal error in Hebrew
and Aramaic manuscripts. This is clearly not an intentional change
but a common scribal error.

Now let us try to determine which was the original reading.

First off let us look up this passage in the BHS (Biblia Hebraica
Stuttgartensia). Here we find a footnote that reads:

"pc Mss Edd KAF-ALEF-RESH-VAV, 2Mss Edd KAF-RESH-VAV cf G(S)..."

To transalate this note into lay terms it says:

"A few manuscripts read KARU (KAF-ALEF-RESH-VAV) and two manuscripts
read KARU (KAF-RESH-VAV)and the Greek Septuagint has [pierced]"

In other words while MOST Masoretic Text manuscripts read KARI
("like a lion") SEVERAL read "they have pierced" (two possible
spellings) as does the Greek Septuagint.

The Greek Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Tanak that was
completed by about 200 to 160 BCE.

The Peshitta Aramaic Tanak also has "they have pierced" in this
passage. According to the Encyclopedia Judaica article on "Bible"
The Peshitta ARamaic was produced by Jews for Assyrian and Syrian
converts to Judaism in the first century BCE.

Now lets look at the oldest extant Hebrew copy of this Psalm which
was found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. If we look in THE DEAD SEA
SCROLLS BIBLE under Psalm 22 on pages 518-519 we read:

"They have pierced my hands and my feet."

We are directed to footnote 41 which says:

"5/6HevPs MT(mss) LXX. Like a lion are MT."

In layman's terms this note means:

In the Dead Sea Scroll manuscript designated "5/6HevPs", some
Masoretic Text manuscripts and the Septuagint the reading is "they
have pierced" while most Masoretic Text manuscripts read "like a
lion are".

A header above this section of Psalm 22 reads:

"Psalm 22 is a favorite among Christians since it is often linked in
the New Testament with the suffering and death of Jesus. A well-
known and controversial reading is found in verse 16, where the
Masoretic Text reads "Like a lion are my hands and feet," whereas
the Septuagint has "They have pierced my hands and feet." Among the
scrolls the reading in question is found only in the Psalms scroll
found at Nahal Hever (abreviated 5/6HevPs), which reads "They have
pierced my hands and my feet"!"

Moreover the grammar does not work for "like a lion" since the
phrase would lake a verb. Many insert additional words to MAKE the
text read "Like a lion [they are at] my hands and my feet". The
understood verb of being does not work here because "Like a lion are
my hand and my feet" makes about as much sense as "Like a pizza are
my hands and my feet".

OK lets review the facts:

1. Only the Masoretic Text (which originated in the 9th Century CE)
has "like a lion" and even then some copies have "they have pierced".

2. ALL other versions INCLUDING the Greek Septuagent and Aramaic
Peshitta Tanak read "they have pierced".

3. The error itself is an accidental scribal error and NOT an
intentional change.

4. By far the OLDEST Hebrew copy of the Psalm from the Dead Sea
Scrolls reads "they have pierced"

5. The reading "like a lion" does not fit the grammar.

6. Several copies and versions from BEFORE the life of Yeshua
have "they have pierced" and NO copy or version prior to the 9th
century CE has "like a lion."

THEREFORE:

Yes, so-called Anti-Missionaries including Singer have CLAIMED
that Christians altered this text so as to make it read "they have
pierced"... this is a SERIOUS accusation and the bottom line is that
they have LIED. The reading "they have pierced" existed BEFORE
Christianity existed, the cribal error in question was clearly NOT
intentiona land the textual evidence points STRONGLY to "they have
pierced" as the original reading.

The term “Masorah” refers to the marginal notes which were transmitted by the Masorites along with the Masoretic Text. The notes transmitted in the side margins are called the “Masorah Parva” or “Masorah Katonah”. The notes transmitted on the top and bottom margins are the “Masorah Magna” also known as “Masorah Gedolah”. Finally the notes transmitted at the end of the text are the Masorah Finalis.

Among the notes preserved in the Massorah Gedolah are those of the Tikkun Soferim (“Emendations of the Scribes”). Among the Tikkun Soferim are eighteen notations which indicate that the scribes, finding the original reading irreverent, emended the reading to one less offensive. Each of these eighteen readings are indicated with footnotes in the Hebraic Roots Version (see notes to Gen. 18:22; Num. 11:15; 12:12; 1Sam. 3:13; 2Sam. 16:12; 20:1; 1Kn. 12:16; Jer. 2:11; Ezek. 8:17; Hose 4:7; Hab. 1:12; Zech. 2:12; Mal. 1:13; Job 7:20; 32:3; Lam. 3:20 and 2Chron. 10:16). These footnotes also compare other textual readings from other witnesses such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Samaritan Pentateuch, Septuagint, Peshitta Tanak and Targums to these readings.

The Massorah also notes 134 places where the Masoretic Text reads “Adonai” but which, according to the Masorah, originally read “YHWH”. In each of these locations the HRV has “YHWH” in the main text along with a footnote explaining that the Masoretic Text reads “Adonai” but that the Massorah indicates the original reading was “YHWH”. These footnotes also compare readings from other textual witnesses as to whether they support YHWH or Adonai in the reading in question.

There are also several places where the Masoretic Text reads “Elohim” but which the Massorah indicates the original reading was “YHWH”. In these verses the HRV has “ELOHIM” in all caps.

(For documentation regarding the Massorah and the Tikkun Soferim see: Old Testament Textual Criticism, a Practical Introduction by Ellis R. Brotzman pp. 54-55, 116-120; The Masorah of Biblia Hebraica Struttgartensia by Kelley, Mynatt and Crawford pp. 1-11, 23-28, 37-43, 191; The Tiqqune Sopherim by C. McCarthy; “Scribal Emendations” by E.J. Revell, Anchor Bible Dictionary; Introduction to the Massoretic-Critical Edition of the Hebrew Bible, by C. Ginsburg; pp. 347-363 & Chapter 3. Massorah Gedolah, Vol. 1 G.E. Weil, 1971. The Massorah, C. Ginsburg paragraphs 107-115.)

Jim Wright said:
There is two versions of The Masoretic Text which exhibit the encryption effect.

The one I use is The Koren Text - I do not recall what the other is called.

These are the only Two Old Testament Texts which show the code effect.

The difference between the two is 14 letters - no words.

I think the mistakes are spit between the two - it keeps us from seeing the full Code effect.

It would take 72 additional changes to totally destroy the effect.

The Torah is identical in both, in fulfillment of The LORD's prophecy in Matthew 5.18.

The only New Testament text to exhibit encryption is the eastern Peshitta - it says about the 6th hour in John 19.14

I beleive it - the very letters are from God - the Codes prove it.

Jim

Anaiah Priel (Andrew P) Carlson said:
Peshitta, and most other manuscripts, say in John chapter 19 that it was the sixth hour that Messiah was crucified. when actually, it was the third hour, as the other gospels say. a few greek manuscripts render it as third hour instead of sixth hour, and this is the true reading.

i'm not familiar with the koren text. is that related to masoretic?
Part 1

Greetings Brother James -

You may not like my "circular thinking" but the Codes are proof of which Text is "God breathed". It is The LORD's "watermark" of authenticity.

There have been no similar Codes found in Moby Dick - only what would be expected to be found in text of that size - The Codes that show in the Bible are way beyond what would be expected by random chance - and when I say way beyond I mean billions, sometimes trillions of times beyond what is expected.

I can hook you up with some info on this is you like - Brandon McKay is a liar and a fraud and his corrupt 'experiments' have been throughly debunked. I don't think any of his 'codes' are beyond 1 in 1000 of being random, and he pulled every corrupt trick in the book to manage that - nothing he did was a priori, he tuned, and cherry picked - all corrupt tactics.

I have been shown Codes that are past 1 in 100,000,000 of being random.

This one for example, and I also have the 666 Calculation here:

http://www.lumberguy.net/BCPetertheRoman.html

Please examine

When Ratzinger changes his name to any other besides the 7 used since 1798 it will complete the Calculation.

And also on that page there is a link to a Code I found before his election - The LORD showed me who he is and I was also shown he would be elected in one full day, quicker than any in the past 300 years, probably ever.

And I publically proclaimed it.

And I can prove it - our mutual friend Fabrice Bect was there and he also found the extensions on that Code - it is past 1 in 100,000,000 also. Also I started a Yahoo Poll over a week before the election, which is still up.

And that 1 in 100,000,000 figure was on the a priori search - the odds on what actually showed are past 1 in 10 with 100,000,000 zeros following (that is regarding the "Peter the Roman" Code).

No skeptic has produced anything even remotely like that - in fact the highest odds I have every seen in any other text was 1 in 1000 - and I have been searching for a little over 10 years.

And that was only 1 time (in the KJV) - it was a legitimate experiment, unlike McKay's work.

Not so great considering the millions of searches conducted.

And while you are free to doubt The LORD's ability to preserve His words for us, I do not, especially regarding The Torah - The LORD said not one yod or taag would disappear and I wholeheartedly believe it, and the math codes demostrate, to my satisfaction, His words have stood up.

Also His statement is proof that at least some of The Massora was in existence at least 700 years or so before The Masoretes went to work, for the "Taag"s are a part of the Massora, not the Text, as far as I know.

Have you read this yet?:

http://www.research-systems.com/codes/mathcode-web.pdf

The LORD has not only preserved every letter He has blessed us with a way to verify it.

Most respectfully +

Many Blessings -

Jim



James Trimm said:
Jim,

What actual evidence do you have that the Masoretic Text (which did not exist until the 9th century CE) is "perfect"?
Don't say Bibile codes, because that is circular thinking, the Bible codes are only real if the text is accurate in the first place. Similar Codes have been found in Moby Dick.


beryl etanah said:
right on Jim.

Jim Wright said:
Hello James -

What you are calling mistakes and hideous gramatical errors are carefully copied anomilies that if it was written the way you think it should be would totally destroy the encryption effect.

Just as if the the word Peniel / Penuel was to be spelled the same way in both verses in Genesis 32 - the Codes would suffer.

And if the Atbash Encryptions in Jeremiah were written with the plain words the entire Code effect would be destroyed in the troidal searches.

http://www.lumberguy.net/AtbashCodes.html

These so-called mistakes are not mistakes at all - they are necessary for the encryption.

In the versions where these so-called mistakes are corrected there is no encryption effect at all.

Please read the booklet I linked to and see the effect that leaving the two inverted nuns out which between Deuteronomy 10.35 + 10.36

Take them out it reads "you are a naive calculator"

include them it reads "you calculate for the good" + the entire calculation of the chapter adds up

They are not mistakes

I am very thankful the Scribes copied what they were given and not what they thought should be there.

Blessings -

Jim

James Trimm said:
The Masoretic Text is also not perfect.

The HRV Tanak it translated primarily from the Hebrew Masoretic Text however there are some readings in which other versions and manuscripts such as the Septuagint, the Peshitta Tanak and/or the Dead Sea Scrolls preserve an obviously original reading which was lost from the Masoretic Text and which the HRV version has restored (with
an explanatory footnote). The following are just two examples:

Psalm 145 is an acrostic Psalm. This means that each section of the Psalm begins with each of the 22 Hebrew letters from ALEF through TAV. However in the Masoretic Text the section that should begin with a NUN is missing from the text entirely! However in the Septuagint, the Peshitta Tanak, one Hebrew ms. from the middle ages, and the Dead Sea Scroll copy of this Psalm (11QPs(a)) the missing section appears immediately after Ps. 145:13: "YHWH is faithful to all his promises, and loving toward all he has made.” The Hebraic-Roots restores the "lost" NUN section along with an explanatory footnote.

Next let us examine Isaiah 53:11. In the Hebrew of the Masoretic Text this verse has a serious grammatical problem. The Hebrew of the Masoretic Text reads literally:

From the travail of his soul he shall see ________
shall be satisfied in his understanding.
My Righteous servant shall justify many
and their iniquities he bears.

There is very clearly a missing word in the Hebrew resulting in two verbs in a row "shall see" and "shall be satisfied". What shall he see? Now the missing word "light" DOES appear in the Septuagint and has also now turned up in two Hebrew copies of Isaiah found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The passage SHOULD read (as it does in the HRV):

From the travail of his soul he shall see light
and shall be satisfied in his understanding.
My Righteous servant shall justify many
and their iniquities he bears.
(Is. 53:11 HRV translation)

(In the HRV the missing word "light" is restored with an explanatory footnote).

The anti-missionaries have made the claim that Christians changed
Ps. 22:16 (17) to read "they have pierced" rather than "like a lion".

Now let us seek the TRUTH on this matter:

The difference between these two readings is one letter.

KARU (KAF-ALEF-RESH-VAV) "They have pierced"
(KAR means "pierced" and the -U means "they")

KARI (KAF-ALEF-RESH-YUD) "Like a lion"
(K- means "like" and ARI means "lion")

The difference is between a VAV and a YUD. The misreading of a VAV
for a YUD or a YUD for a VAV is a frequent scribal error in Hebrew
and Aramaic manuscripts. This is clearly not an intentional change
but a common scribal error.

Now let us try to determine which was the original reading.

First off let us look up this passage in the BHS (Biblia Hebraica
Stuttgartensia). Here we find a footnote that reads:

"pc Mss Edd KAF-ALEF-RESH-VAV, 2Mss Edd KAF-RESH-VAV cf G(S)..."

To transalate this note into lay terms it says:

"A few manuscripts read KARU (KAF-ALEF-RESH-VAV) and two manuscripts
read KARU (KAF-RESH-VAV)and the Greek Septuagint has [pierced]"

In other words while MOST Masoretic Text manuscripts read KARI
("like a lion") SEVERAL read "they have pierced" (two possible
spellings) as does the Greek Septuagint.

The Greek Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Tanak that was
completed by about 200 to 160 BCE.

The Peshitta Aramaic Tanak also has "they have pierced" in this
passage. According to the Encyclopedia Judaica article on "Bible"
The Peshitta ARamaic was produced by Jews for Assyrian and Syrian
converts to Judaism in the first century BCE.

Now lets look at the oldest extant Hebrew copy of this Psalm which
was found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. If we look in THE DEAD SEA
SCROLLS BIBLE under Psalm 22 on pages 518-519 we read:

"They have pierced my hands and my feet."

We are directed to footnote 41 which says:

"5/6HevPs MT(mss) LXX. Like a lion are MT."

In layman's terms this note means:

In the Dead Sea Scroll manuscript designated "5/6HevPs", some
Masoretic Text manuscripts and the Septuagint the reading is "they
have pierced" while most Masoretic Text manuscripts read "like a
lion are".

A header above this section of Psalm 22 reads:

"Psalm 22 is a favorite among Christians since it is often linked in
the New Testament with the suffering and death of Jesus. A well-
known and controversial reading is found in verse 16, where the
Masoretic Text reads "Like a lion are my hands and feet," whereas
the Septuagint has "They have pierced my hands and feet." Among the
scrolls the reading in question is found only in the Psalms scroll
found at Nahal Hever (abreviated 5/6HevPs), which reads "They have
pierced my hands and my feet"!"

Moreover the grammar does not work for "like a lion" since the
phrase would lake a verb. Many insert additional words to MAKE the
text read "Like a lion [they are at] my hands and my feet". The
understood verb of being does not work here because "Like a lion are
my hand and my feet" makes about as much sense as "Like a pizza are
my hands and my feet".

OK lets review the facts:

1. Only the Masoretic Text (which originated in the 9th Century CE)
has "like a lion" and even then some copies have "they have pierced".

2. ALL other versions INCLUDING the Greek Septuagent and Aramaic
Peshitta Tanak read "they have pierced".

3. The error itself is an accidental scribal error and NOT an
intentional change.

4. By far the OLDEST Hebrew copy of the Psalm from the Dead Sea
Scrolls reads "they have pierced"

5. The reading "like a lion" does not fit the grammar.

6. Several copies and versions from BEFORE the life of Yeshua
have "they have pierced" and NO copy or version prior to the 9th
century CE has "like a lion."

THEREFORE:

Yes, so-called Anti-Missionaries including Singer have CLAIMED
that Christians altered this text so as to make it read "they have
pierced"... this is a SERIOUS accusation and the bottom line is that
they have LIED. The reading "they have pierced" existed BEFORE
Christianity existed, the cribal error in question was clearly NOT
intentiona land the textual evidence points STRONGLY to "they have
pierced" as the original reading.

The term “Masorah” refers to the marginal notes which were transmitted by the Masorites along with the Masoretic Text. The notes transmitted in the side margins are called the “Masorah Parva” or “Masorah Katonah”. The notes transmitted on the top and bottom margins are the “Masorah Magna” also known as “Masorah Gedolah”. Finally the notes transmitted at the end of the text are the Masorah Finalis.

Among the notes preserved in the Massorah Gedolah are those of the Tikkun Soferim (“Emendations of the Scribes”). Among the Tikkun Soferim are eighteen notations which indicate that the scribes, finding the original reading irreverent, emended the reading to one less offensive. Each of these eighteen readings are indicated with footnotes in the Hebraic Roots Version (see notes to Gen. 18:22; Num. 11:15; 12:12; 1Sam. 3:13; 2Sam. 16:12; 20:1; 1Kn. 12:16; Jer. 2:11; Ezek. 8:17; Hose 4:7; Hab. 1:12; Zech. 2:12; Mal. 1:13; Job 7:20; 32:3; Lam. 3:20 and 2Chron. 10:16). These footnotes also compare other textual readings from other witnesses such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Samaritan Pentateuch, Septuagint, Peshitta Tanak and Targums to these readings.

The Massorah also notes 134 places where the Masoretic Text reads “Adonai” but which, according to the Masorah, originally read “YHWH”. In each of these locations the HRV has “YHWH” in the main text along with a footnote explaining that the Masoretic Text reads “Adonai” but that the Massorah indicates the original reading was “YHWH”. These footnotes also compare readings from other textual witnesses as to whether they support YHWH or Adonai in the reading in question.

There are also several places where the Masoretic Text reads “Elohim” but which the Massorah indicates the original reading was “YHWH”. In these verses the HRV has “ELOHIM” in all caps.

(For documentation regarding the Massorah and the Tikkun Soferim see: Old Testament Textual Criticism, a Practical Introduction by Ellis R. Brotzman pp. 54-55, 116-120; The Masorah of Biblia Hebraica Struttgartensia by Kelley, Mynatt and Crawford pp. 1-11, 23-28, 37-43, 191; The Tiqqune Sopherim by C. McCarthy; “Scribal Emendations” by E.J. Revell, Anchor Bible Dictionary; Introduction to the Massoretic-Critical Edition of the Hebrew Bible, by C. Ginsburg; pp. 347-363 & Chapter 3. Massorah Gedolah, Vol. 1 G.E. Weil, 1971. The Massorah, C. Ginsburg paragraphs 107-115.)

Jim Wright said:
There is two versions of The Masoretic Text which exhibit the encryption effect.

The one I use is The Koren Text - I do not recall what the other is called.

These are the only Two Old Testament Texts which show the code effect.

The difference between the two is 14 letters - no words.

I think the mistakes are spit between the two - it keeps us from seeing the full Code effect.

It would take 72 additional changes to totally destroy the effect.

The Torah is identical in both, in fulfillment of The LORD's prophecy in Matthew 5.18.

The only New Testament text to exhibit encryption is the eastern Peshitta - it says about the 6th hour in John 19.14

I beleive it - the very letters are from God - the Codes prove it.

Jim

Anaiah Priel (Andrew P) Carlson said:
Peshitta, and most other manuscripts, say in John chapter 19 that it was the sixth hour that Messiah was crucified. when actually, it was the third hour, as the other gospels say. a few greek manuscripts render it as third hour instead of sixth hour, and this is the true reading.

i'm not familiar with the koren text. is that related to masoretic?

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