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The Lunar Sabbath Error
By
James Scott Trimm

 

The Lunar Sabbath Doctrine is a teaching that has taken root among many in the Hebraic-Roots movement in the last fourteen years.  This false doctrine seeks to replace the repeating weekly seventh day Sabbath with a floating Lunar based Sabbath, which could occur any day of the week.  This Lunar Sabbath theory teaches that one begins counting the day after each new moon such that the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th days are Sabbaths.


The Anti-Semitic Origin of the Lunar Sabbath Theory

The so-called "Lunar Sabbath" theory was an invention that came out of Anti-Semitic Groups with ties to the Ku Klux Klan.

Jonathan David Brown is credited with being the first so-called “sabbath keeper” in this century (actually ever) to begin the practice of counting the Sabbath from the New Moon day rather than using the modern seven day week.  Brown published the book Keeping Yahweh's Appointments in 1998, which explained the practice, which has since spread like a virus.

Brown is a noted ant-Semite who has been convicted for his connection to a 1990 Synagogue shooting.  In 1992, Brown was sentenced to a 27-month federal prison term and fined $10,000 for accessory after the fact to a conspiracy to violate civil rights under 18 U.S.C. 3 and 241 (so-called Hate-Crimes), and for perjury under 18 U.S.C. 1623a. It was established in Court that Brown helped Damion Patton, described by Nashville police as a juvenile "skinhead", and Leonard William Armstrong, the Grand Dragon of the Tennessee White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan hide from authorities and disguise their car after Patton and Armstrong carried out a pre-dawn drive-by shooting of a synagogue in Nashville, Tennessee on June 10, 1990.

In court it was revealed that in the evening of June 9, 1990, Brown attended a meeting of an anti-Semitic white supremacists which Patton and Armstrong were also attending.  At 1:00 a.m. on June 10, Patton drove past the West End Synagogue in Nashville and Armstrong fired several shots through its windows with a TEC-9 assault pistol.  Fortunately the building was unoccupied so no one was injured.  Brown's apartment was searched under warrant on June 15th as police looked for Patton.  As a result of this search, authorities seized items belonging to Mr. Brown, which indicated his membership in the Ku Klux Klan and other white supremacist groups. In the days following the shooting incident, Brown helped Patton evade authorities by lying to police regarding Patton's whereabouts, by hiding him at his farm in Pleasantville, and by helping Patton change the color of his car from white to black with spray paint.  Brown gave Patton a license plate from one of his trucks and supplied Patton with enough money to drive to Las Vegas and stay there.  Some five months later, Brown allowed Patton to live again on his farm for a month. In September 1991, the FBI arrested Patton who plead guilty to his part in the synagogue shooting.

In 1994 Brown sought to overturn his convictions the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit.  Brown argued that the synagogue was owned by a corporation and not by citizens, and thus could not be covered by 42 U.S.C. Sec. 1982 (1988) which he argued applied solely to the property rights of citizens.  Brown also challenged as unwarranted the seizure of his personal property. The three-judge court upheld Brown’s convictions on March 21, 1995.

Three years after these events Brown published his Lunar Sabbath theory, and it has spread like a virus.

The so-called floating "Lunar Sabbath" is a recent invention. There is no evidence that anyone ever followed it until recent times. To the contrary the historical evidence proves that the ancient Hebrews (Including Yeshua himself) kept the Seventh day of the week ("Saturday") and not a so-called floating "Lunar Sabbath".


An Unbelievable Conspiracy Theory

The Lunar Sabbath theory presupposes that at some point in time, the Sabbath was changed from a floating so-called Lunar Sabbath, to the weekly Sabbath.  So when did this alleged change take place?

 Yeshua and the Pharisees clearly agreed as to what day the Sabbath was.  While at times they disagreed, at times, over what activities were permitted on the Sabbath, but they never disagreed over what day the Sabbath was.

As a result most Lunar Sabbath Proponents maintain that their floating Lunar Sabbath was kept at least until the first century, and that the alleged “change” to the weekly Sabbath came after that time.

This creates certain problems, because it means that Lunar Sabbatarians must place this change well within recorded history, and this created several problems.

To begin with this alleged change would have to have been made without any historical record of the change itself taking place.  This “change” also would have to have been somehow agreed to by both Jews, Christians, and even Samaritans, all over the world.  These groups who were at odds with one another, would have to have agreed to make this change together, without making any historical record of the change, and without leaving behind any dissident sects in any of these movements that rejected the change.  This would include Jews and Christians all over the world, as far south as Ethipoia, as far east as Japan, as far north as Armenia,  to institute this change worldwide without the benefit of modern methods of rapid communication.  Any gradual change would even more certainly have left historical footprints and dissident groups behind.  This is simply unbelievable.

Another problem this creates for the Lunar Sabbath Theory is that by placing this supposed change well within the reach of history, it is a simple matter to reach beyond this period, to show that a Lunar Sabbath was not used in or before the first century.


Authors of Confusion

Many Lunar Sabbath proponents use loaded terminology and misleading claims intended to confuse the real issue.

For example many will refer to the weekly Sabbath with the term “Gregorian” so as to wrongly imply that the seven day week is somehow unique to the rather late Gregorian calendar, or to wrongly imply that the long count of days of the week was disrupted in the change from the Julian to the Gregorian Calendar.  In fact there was no disruption in the count of the days of the week in this calendar change.  (see: http://nazarenespace.com/group/alternatecalendardebate/forum/topics... )  Others will refer to the Weekly Sabbath and the long count of the days of the week as “Roman” as if to wrongly imply that these were unique to the Roman calendar.  Others will seek to create confusion based on other Roman methods of long counting weeks, none of which impact the actual long count of weeks going from the present, back into antiquity.    Yet others will seek to create confusion with references to the changes of the Hillel II calendar.  The Hillel II calendar included no revisions in relation to the weekly Sabbath, and only impacted Rabbinic Judaism.  The changes of the Hillel II calendar are only brought up by Lunar Sabbatarians to confuse the real issue.


Six Days of Work

There are always more than seven days between the twenty-nineth day of a lunar month and the eighth day of the next lunar month.  As a result the lunar sabbath teaching violates the mitzvah often repeated in Scripture, and indeed even referenced in the Ketuvim Netzarim:

Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
but the seventh day is a sabbath of YHWH your Elohim.


The Essenes and the Dead Sea Scrolls

There are a multitude of calendar texts which have been found among the Dead Sea Scrolls and which demonstrate clearly that the Essenes did not keep a so-called floating Lunar Sabbath.  The material is far to extensive to present here, and totally unnecessary, since I do not know of any Lunar Sabbath proponents who take issue with this fact.

I will add that Josephus writes of the Essenes:

Moreover, they are stricter than any other of the Jews in resting from their labors on the seventh day; for they not only get their food ready the day before, that they may not be obliged to kindle a fire on that day, but they will not move any vessel out of its place, nor go to stool thereon.
(Wars 2:8:9)  

If the Essenes kept a different Sabbath from the other Jews, it would seem very odd for Josephus not to mention that here.  This would certainly lead us to the conclusion that the Jews of the Second Temple Era did not keep the so-called Lunar Sabbath.


Back to Back Sabbaths

Under the Lunar Sabbath Theory, back-to-back Sabbath’s are impossible.  This is because all of the annual Sabbaths under this theory, would occur on days that would already be Sabbaths. However in the Second Temple Era, back-to-back Sabbaths were very much a possibility and there was much debate on just how to deal with these occasions.

Mishna Besah 2:1-2 deals with halachah surrounding what to do when back-to-back sabbaths occur due to a festival Sabbath falling the day before or the day after a weekly Sabbath (which can never happen in the Lunar Sabbath system):

2:1 "On a festival which coinsides with the eve of the Sabbath [Friday]- a person should not do cooking to begin with the festival day [Friday] for the purpose of the Sabbath.
But he prepares food for the festival day, and he leaves something over, he has lefts it over for use on the Sabbath.
And he prepares a cooked dish on the eve of the festival day [Thursday] and relies on it [to prepare food on Friday] for the Sabbath as well.
The House of Shammai says, "Two dishes."
And the House of Hillel says, "A single dish."
But they concur in the case of fish and the egg [cooked] on it, that they constitute two dishes.
[If] one ate [the dish intended for the Sabbath] or it was lost, one should not cook another in its stead in the first instance.
But if he left over any amount at all of it, he relies on it for the Sabbath.
2:2  [If the festival day] coincided with the day after the Sabbath [Sunday],
The House of Shammai says, "The immerse everything before the Sabbath."
The House of Hillel says, "Utensils [are to be immersed] before the Sabbath.
But man [may immerse] on the Sabbath [itself]."
(m.Besa 2:1-2)

Hillel and Shammai taught when Yeshua was a child, and the Mishna was codified around 250 CE.

Another example of back-to-back Sabbaths is found in the Mishna discussion about how to deal with a Sabbath that falls on the sixteenth of Nisan (the fifteenth being an annual Sabbath):

The bones, and the sinews, and the nothar of the paschal lamb are to be burnt on the sixteenth. If the sixteenth falls on the Sabbath, they are to be burnt on the seventeenth, because they do not override either the Sabbath or the festival.
(m. Pesachim 7:10)

Of course the sixteenth of Nisan could never be a Sabbath under the Lunar Sabbath theory.


A Sabbath that Falls on the First Day of Tabernacles

The Mishna also discusses how mal offerings were handled when the First Day of Tabernacles (the 15th of Tishri) falls on a Sabbath:

A man may offer a meal-offering consisting of sixty tenths and bring them in one vessel if a man said, I take upon myself to offer sixty tenths, he may bring them in one vessel. But if he said, I take upon myself to offer sixty-one tenths, he must bring sixty in one vessel and the one in another vessel; for since the congregation bring on the first day of the feast of tabernacles when it falls on a Sabbath sixty-one tenths as a meal-offering, it is enough for an individual that his meal-offering be less by one tenth than that of the congregation.
(m.Menachot 12:4)

Of course this passage must be speaking of events that took place prior to 70 CE (when the Temple still stood).  Of course under the Lunar Sabbath theory the Sabbath always falls on the 15th of the month, making this discussion meaningless.

 
The Ninth of Av

The Ninth of Av is a fast which commemorates the destruction of both the First Temple and Second Temple in Jerusalem, which occurred about 655 years apart, but on the same Hebrew calendar date.  According to the Lunar Sabbath theory, the ninth of Av could never fall on a Sabbath, yet the Talmud discusses the issue of what to do when a Sabbath falls on the Ninth of Av as follows:

It was in fact taught: If the Ninth of Av fell on a Sabbath and, similarly, if the eve of the Ninth of Av fell on a Sabbath a man may eat and drink as much as he requires and lay on his table a meal as big as that of Solomon in his time. If the Ninth of Av fell on the Sabbath eve [food] of the size of an egg must be brought and eaten [before the conclusion of the day] so that one does not approach the Sabbath in a state of affliction’.
(b.Eruvin 41a)


New Moon on a Sabbath

The Talmud also discusses the issue of what to do when a New Moon falls on a Sabbath, and records a debate which took place between the House of Hillel and the House of Shammai on the issue:

R. Zera replied: The New Moon is different from a festival - Since its mention is included in the benediction on the sanctity of the day in the morning and evening prayers it is also included in that of the additional prayer. But do Beth Shammai uphold the view that the mention of the New Moon is to be included? Was it not in fact taught: If a New Moon falls on a Sabbath, Beth Shammai ruled: One recites in his additional prayer eight benedictions and Beth Hillel ruled: Seven? This is indeed a difficulty.
(b.Eruvin 40b)

However with the Lunar Sabbath theory, such a debate would not have occurred at all.

Yeshua’s Last Days

One of the biggest gaping holes in the Lunar Sabbath system is Yeshua's final week on earth... his crucifixion was on the eve of a Sabbath and his resurrection was on the first day "when the sabbath had passed" (Mk. 16:1) and he was in the grave three days...

Now there is much debate over how these days are laid out.  Some argue that Yeshua was crucified on a Wednesday and resurrected at the very end of the Sabbath (Saturday night).  Others (myself included) argue that Yeshua was crucified on a Thursday, and resurrected the morning after the Sabbath (Sunday morning).

But no matter how you slice it you have here either back to back Sabbaths (Friday being the first day of Unleavened Bread and thus an annual Sabbath)  or two Sabbaths with a non-sabbath in between (Thursday being the first day of Unleavened Bread and thus an annual Sabbath).  Neither of these possibilities is possible with a Lunar Sabbath System. With a Lunar Sabbath system, if Yeshua was crucified on the eve of the the sabbath [i.e. the first day of Unleavened Bread- an annual Sabbath] and resurrected on the morning after the Sabbath [since following the Lunar Sabbath System those are the same day] he would have only been in the grave for one day, not three.

Which Sabbath was the Firstfruits Offering?

The well known debate between Pharisees and Sadducees over which day was the first fruits  offering (As recorded in b.Men. 65a-66a) also disproves the Lunar Sabbath System .  It is impossible to debate whether firstfruits is the day after the weekly Sabbath of the day after the annual sabbath if those are the same day.  The Pharisees and Sadducees disagreed on that point, and since there were no Sadducees after the first century, during the first century the Jews of Yeshua's day definitely recognized these as different days, and therefore could not have been keeping the Lunar Sabbath system.



The Reward Offer

Lunar Sabbath proponent Arnold Bowen has for many years offered "a $10,000 reward to anyone who can pinpoint a weekly Sabbath on any other day than by the moon.”  Specifically “on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th."

On August 16th, 2012 I laid claim to this reward when I was able to pinpoint the 14th of Nisan (Abib) in 30 BCE (Saturday, March 28th, 30 BC) as a Sabbath.

Hillel the Great became Nasi if the Sanhedrin one hundred years before the destruction of the Temple (b.Shabbat 15a).  The Temple was destroyed in 70 CE, so this means Hillel became Nasi in 30 BCE.

Hillel’s ascension to the office of Nasi took place in a year which the 14th of Nisan (Passover) occurred on a Sabbath.  This situation did in fact occur in 30 BCE.  At the time there was a controversy as to whether the Passover lamb should be slaughtered on the Sabbath or not. Thereupon Hillel proved by argument and tradition that it was permissible, upon which the Bene Bathyra (Sons of Bathyra), the then heads of the Jews of Judea, voluntarily resigned their leadership in his favor.  The account appears in the Talmud in tractate Pessachim on page 66a.  The discussion begins with a section of Mishnah (Pessachim 6:1-2) which states that many Passover duties override the Sabbath.  The Gemara then recounts the story of the problem that Hillel resolved which led to his being made Nasi (president of the Sanhedrin):

THESE THINGS IN [CONNECTION WITH] THE PASSOVER OFFERING OVERRIDE THE SABBATH: ITS SHECHITAH AND THE SPRINKLING OF ITS BLOOD AND THE CLEANSING OF ITS BOWELS AND THE BURNING OF ITS FAT. BUT ITS ROASTING AND THE WASHING OF ITS BOWELS DO NOT OVERRIDE THE SABBATH. ITS CARRYING AND BRINGING IT FROM WITHOUT THE TEHUM AND THE CUTTING OFF OF ITS WART DO NOT OVERRIDE THE SABBATH. R. ELIEZER SAID: THEY DO OVERRIDE [THE SABBATH]. SAID R. ELIEZER, DOES IT NOT FOLLOW A FORTIORI: IF SHECHITAH, WHICH IS [USUALLY FORBIDDEN] AS A LABOUR, OVERRIDES THE SABBATH, SHALL NOT THESE, WHICH ARE [ONLY FORBIDDEN] AS A SHEBUTH, OVERRIDE THE SABBATH? R. JOSHUA ANSWERED HIM, LET FESTIVAL[S] REBUT IT, WHEREIN THEY PERMITTED LABOUR AND FORBADE A SHEBUTH. SAID R. ELIEZER TO HIM, WHAT IS THIS, JOSHUA, WHAT PROOF IS A VOLUNTARY ACT IN RESPECT OF A PRECEPT! R. AKIBA ANSWERED AND SAID, LET HAZA'AH PROVE IT, WHICH IS [PERFORMED] BECAUSE IT IS A PRECEPT AND IS [NORMALLY FORBIDDEN ONLY] AS A SHEBUTH, YET IT DOES NOT OVERRIDE THE SABBATH; SO YOU TOO, DO NOT WONDER AT THESE, THAT THOUGH THEY ARE [REQUIRED] ON ACCOUNT OF THE PRECEPT AND ARE [ONLY FORBIDDEN] AS A SHEBUTH, YET THEY DO NOT OVERRIDE THE SABBATH. SAID R. ELIEZER TO HIM, BUT IN RESPECT OF THAT [ITSELF] I ARGUE: IF SHECHITAH, WHICH IS A LABOUR, OVERRIDES THE SABBATH, IS IT NOT LOGICAL THAT HAZA'AH, WHICH IS [ONLY] A SHEBUTH, OVERRIDES THE SABBATH! (m.Pessachim 6:1-2)

GEMARA. Our Rabbis taught: This halachah was hidden from [i.e., forgotten by] the Bene Bathyra. On one occasion the fourteenth [of Nisan] fell on the Sabbath, [and] they forgot and Passover, R. Akiba holds that the haza'ah must not be performed, though the man is thereby prevented from joining in the Passover sacrifice. did not know whether the Passover overrides the Sabbath or not. Said they, ‘Is there any man who knows whether the Passover overrides the Sabbath or not?’ They were told, ‘There is a certain man who has come up from  Babylonia, Hillel the Babylonian by name, who served the two greatest men of the time, and he knows whether the Passover overrides the Sabbath or not [Thereupon] they summoned him [and] said to him, ‘Do you know whether the Passover overrides the Sabbath or not?’ ‘Have we then [only] one Passover during the year which overrides the Sabbath?’ replied he to them, ‘Surely we have many more than two hundred Passovers during the year which override the Sabbath! Said they to him, ‘How do you know it?’ He answered them, ‘In its appointed time’ is stated in connection with the Passover, and ‘In its appointed time’ is stated in connection with the tamid; just as ‘Its appointed time’ which is said in connection with the tamid overrides the Sabbath, so ‘Its appointed time’ which is said in connection with the Passover overrides the Sabbath. Moreover, it follows a minori, if the tamid, [the omission of] which is not punished by kareth, overrides the Sabbath, then the Passover,[neglect of] which is punished by kareth, is it not logical that it overrides the Sabbath! They immediately set him at their head and appointed him Nasi [Patriarch] over them, and he was sitting and lecturing the whole day on the laws of Passover. He began rebuking them with words. Said he to them, ‘What caused it for you that I should come up from Babylonia to be a Nasi over you? It was your indolence, because you did not serve the two greatest men of the time, Shemaiah and Abtalyon.’ Said they to him, ‘Master, what if a man forgot and did not bring a knife on the eve of the Sabbath?’ ‘I have heard this law,’ he answered, ‘but have forgotten it. But leave it to Israel: if they are not prophets, yet they are the children of prophets!’ On the morrow, he whose Passover was a lamb stuck it [the knife] in its wool; he whose Passover was a goat stuck it between its horns. He saw the incident and recollected the halachah and said, ‘Thus have I received the tradition from the mouth[s] of Shemaiah and Abtalyon.’
(b.Pesachim 66a)

Now this section of Mishnah and Talmud makes it clear that the 14th of Nisan (Passover) could occur on a Sabbath, and in fact did occur on the Sabbath as early as the days of Hillel the Great, who was elderly in the days of Yeshua's youth.

Now as I have said before, Yeshua and the Pharisees clearly agreed as to what day the Sabbath was.  They disagreed, at times, over what activities were permitted on the Sabbath, but they never disagreed over what day the Sabbath was.  So if we can demonstrate that the first century Phraisees kept the weekly "Saturday" Sabbath, we would also be demonstrating that Yeshua kept the weekly "Saturday" Sabbath. And if we could show that the first century Pharisees did not keep a so-called floating lunar Sabbath, we would be showing also that Yeshua did not keep such a lunar Sabbath, and thus that such a lunar Sabbath was not valid.

Now this section of Mishnah and Talmud reveal that on occasion the 14th of Nisan could and did happen to fall on the Sabbath as reckoned by the first century Pharisees, and therefore by Yeshua as well.  This is impossible with the so-called Lunar Sabbath System, in which the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th of a Lunar Month were Sabbaths and the 14th could NEVER be a Sabbath.

I have made an official claim with Arnold Bowen for the $10,000 reward offered to anyone "who can pinpoint a weekly Sabbath on any other day than by the moon... on either the 8th, 15th, 22nd, or 29th day of the Moon.".  I can now pinpoint 14th of Nisan in 30 BCE as meeting this criteria.  So far he has failed to make good on his reward offer. I will keep you all updated.

Well when I began writing this blog, it was my intent to write an exhaustive treatment of the Lunar Sabbath doctrine and its errors.  However the evidence against the Lunar Sabbath is so overwhelming, it has become clear to me that if I ever write an exhaustive treatment, it will fill a book, not just a blog.  None-the-less I believe enough information has been documented in this short treatment to completely disprove the Lunar Sabbath theory.

 

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If you go to a moon phase calendar, (I'm looking at one from http://aa.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/aa_moonphases.pl?year=2012&ZZZ=END)

...and count the number of days between the moon phases (excluding the new moon because of technicalities and going only by the other internal moon phases), you can see that the time between the phases themselves vary from 6 to 9 days apart.

So much for lunar sabbaths. Pretty messy business.

I agree James. The Torah is of the Spirit, and the process by which one becomes spirit in essence is contained within the first book of the Torah; in the 1st and 49th chapters of Genesis, before the Law, before the Commandments, before the statutes and ordinances. It is through this process that the flesh (formed inside of our physical flesh) is removed through a spiritual circumcision, by which we become a spiritual Jew, and as it is written: "salvation is of the Jews," for it is the Jews (the children of Israel) that were given this ancient instruction. And it's no coincidence that they add up to 50 (1 + 49 = 50, the number of chapters in Genesis) for it is through the application of the ancient instruction contained therein that we celebrate our ONE-TIME spiritual jubilee, the physical revealing the spiritual.  

The most profound truth that the "spirit of truth" leads us into is the truth about ourselves, an understanding of ourselves.

I agree with everything that you are saying, for the Torah truly is of the Spirit, it's word, Truth (the good, the bad, and the ugly). We are just seeing it from different perspectives... " In my Father's house are many mansions," the word "mansions" meaning "to stay (in a given place, state, relation, or expectancy)," revealing their spiritual element. I simply have a different relation-ship with the Torah than you do.


 
James Trimm said:

According to the Scriptures, those that observe the Torah are being led of the Spirit:

14 For we know that the Torah is of the Spirit: but I am of the flesh, and I am sold to
sin.
(Rom. 7:14 HRV)

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you. And I will
take away, the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you, a heart of flesh.
27 And I will put My spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you
shall keep My ordinances, and do them.
(Ezek. 36:27 HRV)

But when the Spirit of Truth has come, She will lead you in all Truth,...
(Jn. 16:13 HRV)

And what is the Scriptural definition of truth?  It is given in Psalms:

142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and Your Torah is truth.
143 Trouble and anguish have overtaken me, yet Your commandments are my delight.
144 Your testimonies are righteous forever: give me understanding, and I shall live.
145 I have called with my whole heart: answer me, O YHWH; I will keep Your statutes.
146 I have called You: save me, and I will observe Your testimonies.
147 I rose early at dawn, and cried: I hoped in Your word.
148 My eyes forestalled the night-watches, that I might meditate in Your word.
149 Hear my voice according unto Your lovingkindness: quicken me, O YHWH, as You
are wont.
150 They draw near that follow after wickedness: they are far from Your Torah.
151 You are near, O YHWH, and all Your commandments are truth.
152 Of old have I known from Your testimonies, that You have founded them forever.
(Ps. 119:142-152 HRV)

The Torah is the "Law" they are not two different things.

Agreed.  Thank you for speaking more clearly.  Obviously, you too spend time with Yahweh and his doctrine.

shalom



Sandra L. Butler said:

Agreed Parthenia.  All Israel shall be saved, referring to a spiritual Israel. They receive salvation by going through a spiritual judgment; through a spiritual purification process (encoded in the 49th chapter of Genesis). Those that complete this process (by traveling from Reu to Ben; from Reuben to Benjamin) are of the spiritual tribe of Benjamin, meaning, " a son of the right hand," the right hand symbolizing power, becoming a son of the power of God. These become pure spirit in essence, born of the spirit upon their physical death. 

I see the fruit, not as words that proceed from our lips, but as the truth that is born of that spiritual purified (virgin) womb called the heart, as it is written" " This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoreth me with their lips; But their heart is far from me."  Matthew 15:8

Godspeed.  
 
Parthenia K. Whitsett said:

Interesting statements Sandra; however, it is not "just Benjamin" who enters at the narrow gate.  The scripture says "all Israel will be saved meaning most specifically, those Whom Yahweh has chosen before the foundation of the world.  As the Prophet says, though Israel will be as the sands of the sea, only a "remanant will be saved."

 

The way is indeed narrow and difficult as Yahshua said.  Many people want to interprete the scriptures according to their own understanding.  Except Yahweh builds the house, they labor in vain who build it.  It is He Himself who is our teacher even as He said through the Prophets.....all shall be taught by  Yahweh from the least to the greatest.  That is something most people don't understand and look instead to "man" and his man-made doctrines.  Yahweh states emphatically that the things that the fathers did were not of Him.  He did not speak to them about sacrifices and offerings as He states in Jeremiah and Isaiah.... He told them to obey His voice and Keep His Commandments.  Our Fathers added to the word and went backwards and not forward as many are doing today. 

 

You are right, the sacrifices that Yahweh desires are the fruit of our lips giving thanks and praise unto Him.  Sadly, most do not understand this and are still worshiping according to the ways beyond the Euphrates, just as our Fathers did while in Egypt, and upon entering the land. .

 

shalom



asker said:

Odds and Ends here. Seven-day week quotes

The Seven Day Circle The History and Meaning of the Week by Professor Eviatar Zerubavel...

"...It is quite clear then that THE PERIODIC OBSERVANCE OF THE SABBATH EVERY SEVEN DAYS WAS AT THE HEART OF THE JEWISH WEEK FROM THE VERY BEGINNING." Page 6

..."the establishment of a SEVEN-DAY WEEK based on the regular observance of the Sabbath is A DISTINCTIVELY JEWISH CONTRIBUTION TO CIVILIZATION" Page 8

… "A continuous seven-day cycle that runs throughout history PAYING NO ATTENTION WHATSOEVER TO THE MOON AND ITS PHASES is a distinctively Jewish Invention." Page 11

..."the sort of "weekly" life most of us lead today basically DERIVES FROM THE ORIGINAL JEWISH MODEL OF A SEVEN-DAY PULSATING CYCLE" Page 115

..."As we have already seen, JUDAISM BEQUEATHED THIS TRADITIIONAL CONCEPTION OF THE WEEK as a Sunday-through-Saturday cycle to Christianity, and that was also true later of Islam" Page 122

Philo of Alexandria c.20 BC - c. AD 50 (Jewish philosopher, scholar, and leader) says..."Even now this practice is retained, and the Jews EVERY SEVENTH DAY occupy themselves with the philosophy of their fathers"

Seneca (ca. 4 B.C. to 65 A.D.) (Roman philosopher, dramatist, and statesman)
"This fervent stoic railed against the customs of this accursed race [the Jews] ... and especially their Sabbathkeeping: 'By introducing ONE DAY OF REST IN EVERY SEVEN, they lose in idleness almost a seventh of their life"...

Daily Life In the Times of Jesus
"The week of seven days"
"it appears that THE SEVEN-DAY WEEK, now so universally adopted, HAS ITS ORIGINS IN THE HEBREW CALENDAR."

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..."by the 1st century BC THE JEWISH SEVEN-DAY WEEK seems to have been adopted throughout the Roman world." [4] "
4. "Calendar," The New Encyclopaedia Britannica: Macropaedia, 1975.

http://webexhibits.org/calendars/week.html
..."THROUGH EXTRA-BIBLICAL SOURCES it is possible to determine that the Sabbath AT THE TIME OF CHRIST CORRESPONDS TO OUR CURRENT 'SATURDAY.' Therefore it is common Jewish and Christian practice to regard Sunday as the first day of the week "

http://www.sabbathrest.net/religious/historical.html
"THE EARLY CHRISTIANS HAD AT FIRST ADOPTED THE JEWISH SEVEN­DAY WEEK with its numbered week days, but by the close of the third century A.D. this began to give way to the planetary week; and in the fourth and fifth centuries the pagan designations became generally accepted in the western half of Christendom. The use of the planetary names by Christians attests the growing influence of astrological speculations introduced by converts from paganism. ... During these same centuries the spread of Oriental solar worships, especially that of Mithra (Persian sun worship) in the Roman world, had already led to the substitution by pagans of dies Solis for dies Saturni, as the first day of the planetary week. ...Thus gradually a pagan institution was ingrafted on Christianity." -HUTTON WEBSTER, Ph.D., "Rest Days," pages 220, 221.I

You are groping in the dark.  I am a member of the Temple Mount Institute.  They recently sent me a picture of the Sanhedrin examining a "witnesses about the New Moon."  Such practice was done to declare the new month.

why is it so difficult to understand that all religion stems from man?  The word means "to "bind back," in other words, to keep you from returning to Yahweh.  when you bind something, you restrain it.  All of the religious practices of man share something in common....it is false worship created by Nimrod.  There is nothing new under the sun, what is has been.  Please.  The doctrines of the Christians, Jews, etc. have always been around and when the languages were confounded at Babel, everyone took their nonsense with them and continued to implement it. 

Yahweh is not that difficult to understand, and doesn't require all of this nonsense people are going through.  His Yoke is Easy, and HIs Burden is Light.  Off load.

Shalom

There is the spiriutal law and there is the carnal law. The Torah contains both!  

Moses illustrated the breaking of the spiritual law as he came down off the mount. When the children of Israel broke the first of these spiritual laws by worshiping the gold calf (You are not to have any other gods before my presence, You are not to make yourself a carved-image of any figure that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth beneath, that is in the waters beneath the earth). they were given the carnal law. The carnal law was added because of transgression of God's spiritual law. The carnal law was to pass at the passing of Moses, and again at the coming of Yeshua.  

 

What is a god spiritually? How do we bow down to them spiritually?

How do we take the name of YHWH for emptiness?

How do we hallow the Sabbath spiritually?

How do we honor our father and mother spiritually?  Who is our spiritual father?  and what is our spiritual mother? In honoring them spiritually we prolong our physical life. The patriarchs lived before the carnal law, obeying God's spiritual law,which prolonged their physical life. Abraham was 175 when he died, Isaac 180, Jacob 147, and Joseph 110. 

How do we murder spiritually?

How do we commit spiritual adultery? Matthew 15:19

How do we steal spiritually? Matthew 15:19; Malachi 3:8

How do we bear false witness spiritually?

How do we covet spiritually?

The physical reveals the spiritual. Just because we keep these commanments in the physical sense, doesn't mean we are keeping them in the spiritual sense. That is the point I am trying to make.

 

 

 

 

 

 
James Trimm said:

The Torah is the "Law" they are not two different things.

Sorry but I do not understand where you are coming from. What exactly is it you disagree with and why?

I don't have an issue with New Moons. However, New Moons and the weekly Sabbath are two separate issues.



Parthenia K. Whitsett said:

You are groping in the dark.  I am a member of the Temple Mount Institute.  They recently sent me a picture of the Sanhedrin examining a "witnesses about the New Moon."  Such practice was done to declare the new month.

why is it so difficult to understand that all religion stems from man?  The word means "to "bind back," in other words, to keep you from returning to Yahweh.  when you bind something, you restrain it.  All of the religious practices of man share something in common....it is false worship created by Nimrod.  There is nothing new under the sun, what is has been.  Please.  The doctrines of the Christians, Jews, etc. have always been around and when the languages were confounded at Babel, everyone took their nonsense with them and continued to implement it. 

Yahweh is not that difficult to understand, and doesn't require all of this nonsense people are going through.  His Yoke is Easy, and HIs Burden is Light.  Off load.

Shalom

Shalom Sandra! - Eureka! I have an answer to one of your questions.

How do we commit spiritual adultery? Matthew 15:19.  Back in January 1971 - when we found that The Watchtower had not got it right about the second Coming, that "every eye would see Him, even those who pierced Him;" we were told that we had committed spiritual fornication," by disagreeing with the Watchtower. So NOW you KNOW!



Sandra L. Butler said:

There is the spiriutal law and there is the carnal law. The Torah contains both!  

Moses illustrated the breaking of the spiritual law as he came down off the mount. When the children of Israel broke the first of these spiritual laws by worshiping the gold calf (You are not to have any other gods before my presence, You are not to make yourself a carved-image of any figure that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth beneath, that is in the waters beneath the earth). they were given the carnal law. The carnal law was added because of transgression of God's spiritual law. The carnal law was to pass at the passing of Moses, and again at the coming of Yeshua.  

 

What is a god spiritually? How do we bow down to them spiritually?

How do we take the name of YHWH for emptiness?

How do we hallow the Sabbath spiritually?

How do we honor our father and mother spiritually?  Who is our spiritual father?  and what is our spiritual mother? In honoring them spiritually we prolong our physical life. The patriarchs lived before the carnal law, obeying God's spiritual law,which prolonged their physical life. Abraham was 175 when he died, Isaac 180, Jacob 147, and Joseph 110. 

How do we murder spiritually?

How do we commit spiritual adultery? Matthew 15:19

How do we steal spiritually? Matthew 15:19; Malachi 3:8

How do we bear false witness spiritually?

How do we covet spiritually?

The physical reveals the spiritual. Just because we keep these commanments in the physical sense, doesn't mean we are keeping them in the spiritual sense. That is the point I am trying to make.

 

 

 

 

 

 
James Trimm said:

The Torah is the "Law" they are not two different things.

Shalom Sandra, you are right on in thinking that the Torah has two sides, the letter/carnal (physical keeping) side, and the Spiritual side.  Although I not certain that when the carnal (physical Israelites) made and worshiped a carnal (physical gold calf), that was a breaking of the first command Spiritually.  Wouldn't a better explanation of breaking the 1st commandment "Spiritually," be when one has fully seen and knows the One True Elohim, and then rejects Him and worships Satan and his ways instead?  I'm not sure the children of Israel were at that level of understanding yet to be able to make that choice.

Also, wasn't the Torah added to INCREASE the transgression of Adam?  Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.


Sandra L. Butler said:

There is the spiriutal law and there is the carnal law. The Torah contains both!  

Moses illustrated the breaking of the spiritual law as he came down off the mount. When the children of Israel broke the first of these spiritual laws by worshiping the gold calf (You are not to have any other gods before my presence, You are not to make yourself a carved-image of any figure that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth beneath, that is in the waters beneath the earth). they were given the carnal law. The carnal law was added because of transgression of God's spiritual law. The carnal law was to pass at the passing of Moses, and again at the coming of Yeshua.  

 

What is a god spiritually? How do we bow down to them spiritually?

How do we take the name of YHWH for emptiness?

How do we hallow the Sabbath spiritually?

How do we honor our father and mother spiritually?  Who is our spiritual father?  and what is our spiritual mother? In honoring them spiritually we prolong our physical life. The patriarchs lived before the carnal law, obeying God's spiritual law,which prolonged their physical life. Abraham was 175 when he died, Isaac 180, Jacob 147, and Joseph 110. 

How do we murder spiritually?

How do we commit spiritual adultery? Matthew 15:19

How do we steal spiritually? Matthew 15:19; Malachi 3:8

How do we bear false witness spiritually?

How do we covet spiritually?

The physical reveals the spiritual. Just because we keep these commanments in the physical sense, doesn't mean we are keeping them in the spiritual sense. That is the point I am trying to make.

 

 

 

 

 

 
James Trimm said:

The Torah is the "Law" they are not two different things.

Shalom asker, the point you make below is probably the most definitive proof that the "lunar Sabbath" teaching is false.  Now, the Feast days are established by the Moon, but the weekly Sabbath is not.  Also, have you ever considered HOW the Moon will turn to "blood," or that She will not give Her "light?"  Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew. 

asker said:

The Romans destroyed the Temple (around 70 AD (CE)) and the Jews were dispersed all over the world. All over to the four winds... Iraq, Russia, Germany all over. It is called the “Jewish Diaspora”. This is one of the PROOFS that the Jewish Sabbath is the same as it was at the time of Yeshua....

A thousand of years later and more you find them ALL keeping a 7 day week with Saturday as the Sabbath.

Http://members.aol.com/BRIHOECK7/LostTime.html
“...About 43 years after this (Jews and Yeshua worshiping together on the same day), the Jews were driven into EVERY NATION ON EARTH. From that time until now, they have been separated, scattered into all nations. Thru the middle ages, the Jews in China had no way of communication with the Jews of Africa; the Jews in Europe, with those of other parts of the world. Yet today, with communication restored over every part of the world, we do not find the Jews all mixed up.
If time had been lost, the Jews of one part of the world would be observing one day, and the Jews of other parts, other days. But everywhere - in EVERY NATION ON EARTH, we find the Jews have been keeping the SAME IDENTICAL DAY - the day we call SATURDAY - the true seventh day.


The JEW is the miracle of all history - and the JEW is another proof that we have not lost the Sabbath.”

Yes, NOW we KNOW that we commit spiritual adultery by accepting a lie as truth. The Watchtower had accepted a lie with regard to the second coming, and that's not their only lie. I can assure you they will not be coming back to my door anytime soon. LOL. Spiritual adultery is taking on another husband while the first husband still lives. A husband is that which has rule over us. The husband that is to rule our heart is truth. But when we accept a lie into our heart we have committed spiritual adultery, another husband (the lie) now ruling over us. Many lies have been intercoused (communicated) into our heart throughout our life (beginning just past the age of 4 according to the biblical text). We have all commited spiritual adultery many times throughout our life, the evil seeds of false beliefs intercoursed into our heart, as evil seeds (weeds) are intercoursed into the earth. Earth=Heart, what I call "God's cool anagram."  It is time for us to separate the wheat from the chaff; the lies from the truth.   
 
Abraham Cox said:

Shalom Sandra! - Eureka! I have an answer to one of your questions.

How do we commit spiritual adultery? Matthew 15:19.  Back in January 1971 - when we found that The Watchtower had not got it right about the second Coming, that "every eye would see Him, even those who pierced Him;" we were told that we had committed spiritual fornication," by disagreeing with the Watchtower. So NOW you KNOW!



Sandra L. Butler said:

There is the spiriutal law and there is the carnal law. The Torah contains both!  

Moses illustrated the breaking of the spiritual law as he came down off the mount. When the children of Israel broke the first of these spiritual laws by worshiping the gold calf (You are not to have any other gods before my presence, You are not to make yourself a carved-image of any figure that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth beneath, that is in the waters beneath the earth). they were given the carnal law. The carnal law was added because of transgression of God's spiritual law. The carnal law was to pass at the passing of Moses, and again at the coming of Yeshua.  

 

What is a god spiritually? How do we bow down to them spiritually?

How do we take the name of YHWH for emptiness?

How do we hallow the Sabbath spiritually?

How do we honor our father and mother spiritually?  Who is our spiritual father?  and what is our spiritual mother? In honoring them spiritually we prolong our physical life. The patriarchs lived before the carnal law, obeying God's spiritual law,which prolonged their physical life. Abraham was 175 when he died, Isaac 180, Jacob 147, and Joseph 110. 

How do we murder spiritually?

How do we commit spiritual adultery? Matthew 15:19

How do we steal spiritually? Matthew 15:19; Malachi 3:8

How do we bear false witness spiritually?

How do we covet spiritually?

The physical reveals the spiritual. Just because we keep these commanments in the physical sense, doesn't mean we are keeping them in the spiritual sense. That is the point I am trying to make.

 

 

 

 

 

 
James Trimm said:

The Torah is the "Law" they are not two different things.

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