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What is the mark of the beast? When will it happen? What should we do to prepare for it?

Is it a microchip? A new religion? Something else?

I think it is probably going to be a microchip with all our personal information such as medical history, criminal history, money, etc. I also think there will be a global currency in the form of credit. But, I don't think that the current microchips are the actual mark, just a precursor to it. The mark is something people will be forced to take, or they won't be able to buy or sell. I think it's coming around 2015.

Since I wrote this page, I learned a lot about islam and how it fulfills Biblical prophecy. I think it's no coincidence that muslims believe 666 is their holy number. The 666 in Greek looks like "bism allah" in arabic,(in the name of allah). The muslims wear this mark, which is also a number and a name, on their foreheads and right arms. The muslims also like to kill Christians and Jews by beheading, which is exactly the way the martyrs are killed in Rev. 20:4.

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REVELATION 13 is symbolic and not to be taken literally.  There are not 2 monsters roaming the Earth- One with 10 horns and one with 2 horns.  They are not going around tattooing or implanting microchips.  LOL

A symbolic beast is a kingdom, a symbolic horn is a king, and a symbolic mark is a moed or law just like Yahweh's Sabbaths, Moedim, and Torah are not literal physical marks, but are symbolic spiritual marks.

The adversary is good at deception and distraction, but Yahweh tells us that only the wise(those who keep the commandments and Torah of Yahweh) will understand in the last days.

David said:

PRAISE YAHSHUA MY BROTHER,

                                                    THAT IS CORRECT AND THE PROBLEM LIES WITH THE WORDING BUY AND SELL, DOES THIS PERTAIN JUST TO ONE DAY OF THE WEEK (SHABBAT) OR NOT BUY OR SELL AT ALL, THE SCRIPTURE IS NOT TOO CLEAR ON THIS. OTHER WORDS EXCEPT HIM WHO HAS THE MARK OF THE BEAST THE NAME OF THE THE BEAST OR THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME. WELL THE MICRO CHIP IS A MARK OR PIECE OF THE COMPUTER AND THE WORD COMPUTER DOES ADD UP TO A NUMERICAL VALUE OF 666, AS DOES THE INSCRIPTION OF THE TITLE OF THE POPE USING ROMAN NUMERALS. HERE IS WISDOM LET HIM WHO HAS UNDERSTANDING CALCULATE THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, FOR IT IS A NUMBER OF A MAN, HIS NUMBER IS 666. THIS CAN BE THE TITLE OF THE POPE VICARIVS FILEII DEI MEANING THE VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD OR IN THE PLACE OF CHRIST WHICH ALSO MEANS ANTICHRIST, AND THE TITLE DOES ADD UP TO 666 USING ROMAN NUMERALS FOUND IN THE LATIN INSCRIPTION.

HOWEVER, THIS DOES NOT RULE OUT A SYSTEM OF TRACKING CONTROLING AND MONITORING OF MANKIND, AS CAN BE THIS MESSAGE AND THE CELL PHONE AND AND AND. WHERE EVER AND WHO EVER. THIS WILL BE AN SECOND ROMAN CATHOLIC/ROME AS YOU PUT IT, INQUISITION JUST EASIER NO INVESTIGATION, OR INTERIGATION, JUST IDENTIFICATION, YOU ARE MARKED OR YOU ARE NOT, AND THE MACHINE DOES THE SEARCHING, JUST AS EASY AS THIS ONE DOES THE ONE THAT YOU ARE SITTING IN FRONT OF. IS YOUR TIME AT WORK MONITORED AND HOW? IF NOT YOU IN PARTICULAR THEN OTHERS, DO WE HAVE CHIPS IN OUR PHONES, OUR CREDIT AND BANK CARDS, DO THEY TRACE PEOPLE THROUGH, CREDIT CARD TRANSACTIONS, DOES YOUR CAR HAVE A COMPUTER BOX WITH A CHIP, DO SOME CARS START WITH AND IGNITION KEY WITH A CHIP, DOES YOUR PET RACE HORSE THE COMPUTER YOU ARE SITTING IN FRONT OF HAVE A CHIP, WAS THIS THE CASE TWENTY TO THIRTY YEARS AGO? THE ANSWER IS MOST DEFINATELY NOT. YOU SEE YES, THE NOT THINK AND DO TORAH, AND YES THE MAN OF SIN, AND YES THE REVIVED ROMAN CONQUEST, AND YES THE MARK OF OBEDIENCE TO ALL THIS, AND YES THEY CAN TRACK CONTROL AND MONITOR YOU, EVEN NOW. HOW MUCH MORE WITH A PIECE OF THAT IN YOUR HAND, OR IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HAND, THEN YOUR HEAD (WITHOUT WHICH BY THE WAY YOU ARE DEAD, SO ALL OF US HAVE ONE, HENCE ALTERNATIVE PLACEMENT), WHICH WILL BE A PASSPORT TO LIVE IN THIS SOCIETY. DON'T GET CONFUSED AND END UP OFF GUARD, DON'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE WATER. TRUST YAHSHUA HE WILL TAKE US HOME, AS BEFORE JUST A THOUGHT. MAY YAHSHUA BLESS BOTH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.  

CHRISTOPHER THE WHEN AND IF AND ALL THAT GOES WITH IT, YAHSHUA ALONE KNOWS, AND WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO KNOW HE WILL REVEAL, AS YOU TRUST IN HIM. SO WHEN AND WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO KNOW HE WILL REVEAL IT, FOR ONLY HE KNOWS ALL, EVEN THE HAIRS ON YOUR HEAD ARE NUMBERED BY HIM ALONE, ALL THE STARS ARE NAMED AND ACCOUNTED FOR, SO TO ARE ALL HIS SHEEP, AND THEY KNOW HIS VOICE. FOR US IS TO LOVE HIM AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS PRAYERFULY. 

John said:

The Mark of the Beast is Not a Computer Chip.

 

The Mark of the Beast is the Mark of THE BEAST.

If you know who THE BEAST is, then it is easy to know what the Mark is.

THE BEAST is Rome and the Mark is Sunday.

Believers cannot Buy or Sell on Shabbat unless they keep Sunday instead.

Also, False Teachers cannot profit in the business of religion unless they first bow the knee to Rome and keep its false sabbath.

The BEAST is Rome which includes the 7 of the 10 horns that did in fact conquer the whole world.  The Roman Catholic Church is the Harlot that rides the Beast of Rome.

Solomon Avar said:

Concerning and Comparing the Beast and the Harlot of the Book of Revelation


I personally think that the only defensible and non-speculative position on the Beast and the Harlot spoken of in the book of Revelation is that they are separate entities; the Harlot currently existing; the Beast, or at least his final incarnation, yet to come.

I personally think the only defensible and non-speculative position on the coming Anti-Christ is that he will be virtually completely original, not basing his image in any currently existing religion or culture; he is the Destroyer who comes to Destroy, not to build up and strengthen any existing nation or people.


Rev 17:16 tells us the Anti-Christ will hate the great harlot Babylon, and will conquer her after a short time.
This conquest implies the Destroyer will not assume the mantle of any existing religion, but try to destroy them all.

There are theologians who consider the Roman Catholic Church the Harlot, which is basically defensible (though diminutive in scope, I think).

However, there are people who contend the RCC (or antinomianism as a whole) is simultaneously the Harlot and Beast, which does not logically compute; Rev 17:16 tells us that the Beast will conquer the Harlot, therefore they cannot be the same.


If one considers "fallen Christianity" to be (a component of) the Harlot, then one must logically conclude that the Beast will destroy the same religion.
The alternative is to say that the currently existing "fallen Christianity" is NOT (a component of) the Harlot, which I think is less realistic...

A beast in PROPHECY is a KINGDOM and Islam is not a KINGDOM.

Islam is a religion and so it would be represented as a woman, harlot, or daughter.
 
Lewis said:

Islam is the beast.  All nations that the Messiah come to war with thoughout the bible are Islamic nations. Muslims wear a hand/armband and a head band that says "in the name of allah".

Islam is also a kingdom if it is a caliphate. Anybody know the details of the Mahdi and the one eyed fellow they talk about?

Islam hates Christianity/RCC and Judaism, off with their heads. Not being able to buy or sell on Sunday has little effect as compared to a total ban. I see your spiritual point about the mark but this seems like more of a physical mark like that of Cain.

Has anyone considered that the Antichrist has not yet been released, so his mark and name is ultimately unknowable ?
It also says he will "exalt himself above all that are called gods", indicating he, as befitting his title of Abaddon, or "Destroyer", will destroy other religions and force people to conform to his ways, rather than emulating the paths set out by say Muhammed.

A thorough study of Daniel proves that only Rome fits the Beast and no other kingdom or religion.

The merchants of the Earth are not Walmart, Bank of America, or the Federal Reserve.  They are the Roman Catholic Church and her daughter churches selling the wine of her fornication.  Buying and selling physical merchandise is never sinful unless breaking the Sabbath.

The Scriptures make it plain that only the wise(Torah observers of Yahweh) will understand and not the foolish(children of disobedience).

The 5th Trumpet talks about the"Destroyer", "Abaddon", "Apollyon".  One of the meanings of the name "Saddam" means destroyer in Arabic.
 
Solomon Avar said:

Has anyone considered that the Antichrist has not yet been released, so his mark and name is ultimately unknowable ?
It also says he will "exalt himself above all that are called gods", indicating he, as befitting his title of Abaddon, or "Destroyer", will destroy other religions and force people to conform to his ways, rather than emulating the paths set out by say Muhammed.

Too bad he's dead, and that he doesn't fit the prophecy at all. And too bad his name doesn't add up to 666.

Like you said: The Scriptures make it plain that only the wise(Torah observers of Yahweh) will understand and not the foolish(children of disobedience).



John said:

The 5th Trumpet talks about the"Destroyer", "Abaddon", "Apollyon".  One of the meanings of the name "Saddam" means destroyer in Arabic.
 
Solomon Avar said:

Has anyone considered that the Antichrist has not yet been released, so his mark and name is ultimately unknowable ?
It also says he will "exalt himself above all that are called gods", indicating he, as befitting his title of Abaddon, or "Destroyer", will destroy other religions and force people to conform to his ways, rather than emulating the paths set out by say Muhammed.

Who's dead?  Who doesn't fit the prophecy?  Whose name doesn't add up to 666?  Sometimes you just say things off the cuff.  I was just making a comment that one of the meanings of Saddam in Arabic is Destroyer.  If you are talking about Saddam Hussein, then yes he is dead.  I think everyone is quite aware of that.  There could be more than one guy named Saddam in the world with over 1 BILLION Muslims.  Also, no where in Scripture does it say that the names Saddam, Abaddon, Destroyer, or Apollyon have to add up to 666.

I looked up a few cities that were built on 7 hills: Rome, Jerusalem, Istanbul.

Turkey was part of the Western half of the Roman Empire...seems people always forget that there was another half and that half is made up of Muslim countries today.

"It is interesting to know that many Muslims believe the number "666" to be a holy
number. The number "666" is believed to represent the Quran and the so-called great Prophet Mohammed.
The number "666" could very easily be identified by our Lord as the number of a man,
since it is a man made doctrine and a man made book, referring to its author Mohammed.
Those in Islam that believe in the number "666" and its purity believe that Satan used
Christians to pervert the Bible. They believe that the book of Revelation was inspired by
Satan and that he used the number "666" as a bad number in order to prevent Christian
people from accepting the Quran and the teachings of Mohammed. It is
easy to see the Muslims wearing this number between their eyes, on their foreheads to
proclaim their faith in Allah. They certainly don't have any qualms about wearing a belt
loaded with bombs to blow up the enemies of Allah"(1).

Shakir 48:29 - "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are firm of
heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them
bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks
are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat
and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then
strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers
that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among
them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward”
The Mark Of Prostration on the forehead is called a zabiba, it looks like a grape stain.

(1) http://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/4th-beast-web-4-mt.pdf

As an interesting twist, the Muslims believe the Dajal will have K-F-R boldly imprinted on his forehead, that one eye will be swelled up like a grape. Maybe Yashua will appear with his injuries like He did for Thomas. Can a Hebrew scholar advise me if K-F-R has the same meaning as the Arabic, what is the numeric equivalence?

Please read the following:

What or who is the Dajjal?
Answered by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed 
Translated by Sulma Badrudduja

Dajjal is a person whom the Prophet (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) described as appearing at the end of time. He is sent by Allah as a trial to people. Dajjal will claim godhood and Allah will allow supernatural acts to occur at his hands, such as bringing back to life those he kills, causing the sky to rain by his command, and the earth to produce vegetation by his command. He will have with him what resembles Paradise and Hell. The one he claims is Paradise is in reality Hell, and the one he claims is Hell is in reality Paradise. He will also have two rivers flowing with him. All of these things will be made to happen for him by the Power and Will of Allah. Whoever follows him will disbelieve and be misfortunate and remorseful. Whoever disbelieves him is the true Believer whom Allah has granted success to be of the felicitous. May Allah make us of those who are granted the success of felicity.

Of the signs of Dajjal is that he is one-eyed, and he will have the letters ك ف ر (k f r : the arabic root letters for disbelief) between his eyes. Every Believer, even if illiterate, will be able to read and recognize the letters. All of these descriptions are found in rigorously authenticated reports from al-Bukhari, Muslim, and others......

For more, read on from website.

I highly recommend this site for any other queries.

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So what's your point?
Sounds like you're suggesting Saddam Hussein was the antichrist.

John said:

The 5th Trumpet talks about the"Destroyer", "Abaddon", "Apollyon".  One of the meanings of the name "Saddam" means destroyer in Arabic.
 
Solomon Avar said:

Has anyone considered that the Antichrist has not yet been released, so his mark and name is ultimately unknowable ?
It also says he will "exalt himself above all that are called gods", indicating he, as befitting his title of Abaddon, or "Destroyer", will destroy other religions and force people to conform to his ways, rather than emulating the paths set out by say Muhammed.

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