Nazarene Space

What is the Mark of the Beast?  What do you think?

Views: 3733

Reply to This

Replies to This Discussion


A.J. Hoffman 

Moses sprinkled blood of sheep on the congregation and said Behold the blood of the covenant. but sheep blood was not the blood of the covenant.
Mother Theresa was a peacemaker but only those who serve the peace of our creator are blessed.

I think Nikola Tesla was the first one to create lightening, that in the 1800s

It would make sense that Islam being an anti-christian dictatorial theology with a false profit would have no qualms about setting up a microchip system and beheading, as is their custom, those who don't comply.

Well, Yet the Papacy believes imminent domain on the "Holy Land", and the Mother Teresa and type also support PLO.
Reading of the text typed shows mine is not my proposal of any but Israel's right to Eretz Israel. Shema?
Who made pogroms and Crusades! Inquisition?

If your web site Doug Ri would permit me can I assume that it is ok to twitter.

When you say the "Our Father" which art in heaven and continue, Hallowed be thy name; Do you mean as you say above hallowed "be all that we associate with you".   Yesterday I was passing through Yohanan 17 verse 11 which reads in the HS your Name which you have given me and the same in 12. Is this YHWH?  I am needing help.  What about 17:6 I have revealed your name to the men whom you gave out Me out of the world.  YHWH?


The symbol they wear is well known to the entire Arab world especially the radical muslims, as it is made up of their death cry, when they commit murders. " Allah is Great" So they spell it out on their BLACK FLAGS and GREEN HEAD & ARM BANDS. In the ancient Greek during the time of the scriptures being interpreted from Hebrew to Greek you can see it coming into the worldly knowledge of men as the Greek letters for 666. 

Bismillah-flipped

Another prophetic worldly mark is:

The Greek goddess Europa riding a beast, now the symbol off the soon One World Government (The EU) with their new One World Currency from their One World Bank.

The then there is the Great abominable Church, SHE took an ancient Roman symbol that appears all over the world in different forms and marks her believers thus:

and the list of pagan ritual markings goes on especially today with all kinds of demonic hand signs (symbols)

goat sign

But the TRUE MARK is the believers who worship on the Sabbath Day.  The Mark of Elohim is between you and Him when you obey His Commandments. Specifically the one that starts with the word "Remember"  The Fourth Commandment.

1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from Heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with His glory.

2 And He cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.  (Hisgalus / Revelation 18:1-3)


gilbert said:

The symbol worn by ISIS. It is worn on the head and or the arm. I believe that the anti messiah will be a Muslim leader similar to Salahudine. He will be wise and he will talk in peaceful terms. The world will be enamored with him including the U.S. Just an opinion not Gospel but no worse that what I have heard in the past.

When I read Revelations 13, it appears to me that the number of the beast or the mark of the beast is 666.  It shall be the mark on the forehead or right hand of those who worship him; rather they be great or small, rich or poor, or free or bond. 

There are three things mentioned in this prophecy book that are not allowed to believers:

- to receive a mark on the hand or forehead;

- to use a number of man for purchasing or selling;

- to serve this last world power called beast.

The picture here of the mark is perhaps metaphorical, but literal meaning could come to pass as well. People do wear what they think important to honor. Look at shirts with slogans,etc. The call to loyalty has been enforced fiercely by many tyrants. Watch a rah rah type political praise and fear combo mssg. Been done everywhere by many.

There are a lot of good thoughts in this discussion. I think that these kinds of discussions can be beneficial in sharpening our understanding. In order to arrive at the truth or closer to it, I think that it is essential that we seek to be as objective as possible and recognize our own indoctrination and the broader cultural influences.

For example most folks come to the table with the view that all of these events are yet future. That paradigm has to be questioned as well as many others. I think that we have to be diligent to make sure that our understanding of words and concepts are consistent with the scriptural ones.

For example, is the way in which John used the term "antichrist" in his letters (1st & 2nd John) the same as it is typically used today in discussions like this? Is there a scriptural basis for using the term "antichrist" and "beast" interchangeably? Or do most people use them that way now because people before them did?

Do we have a consistent formula for how we determine time frames? For example, most interpret the 42 months mentioned in Revelation with the understanding of that time frame being 3 1/2 literal years. However, most do not believe the ten days of tribulation in Revelation or the 70 weeks of Daniel to be literal.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Probably most people also believe the mark of the beast to be literal/physical. Yet most seem to believe the seal/mark of YHVH upon the heads of the 144,000 to be a spiritual mark.

As seen in the thread, some have reasoned that the mark of the beast must be literal because no one can buy or sell without it. Yet, what of the gold, clothing and eye salve that Y'shua expects us to purchase? Is this also literal gold that he sells in a store or on the internet some place?

Revelatin 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

I think that our best chance for seeing the truth more clearly is to begin "purging out the leaven" of our eschatology and "test all things." Recently a small study group and myself have been doing a study through Revelation. Here is the two part audio of the discussion on Revelation chapter 13 if anyone is interested. The chapter 1 through 14 are also available. I have enjoyed reading through these threads.

Revelation 13 Discussion
http://www.yeshuacast.com/paradigm-radio/revelation-13-keith-murray

First we need to understand what the Mark of YHWH is and then use that as a reference to explain what the Mark of the Beast is, because I am sure John was looking towards what the Mark of YHWH is. Lets go to Deut 6:3 The Shema..

Deu 6:4  Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5  And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

 Deu 6:6  And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: [CIRCUMCISED HEART]
Deu 6:7  And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deu 6:8  And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Here we see the Mark of YHWH told to be put on the Right arm and on the Forehead, Whether people want to literally do this as the Jews did and still do using the Tefillin, which they bind on their right arm and put on their forehead 

Or since the right arm represents strength and the forehead represents the MIND and the mind and the heart are the same. Should the Shema be made our strength "right arm" and in our minds and heart "fronlet between thine eyes, forehead" I also believe that when the heart is mentioned YHWH is making a reference to the children of Israel hearts being circumcised.

We need to get a deeper meaning of what the Shema means and Yahshua expounded the Shema and gave it more meaning when he was asked:

Mat 22:36  Master, which is the great commandment in the law/Torah?

Yahshua answered:

Mat 22:37  Yahshua said unto him, Thou shalt love the YHWH thy Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mat 22:38  This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

Mat 22:40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Meaning the Tanakh!

Why did Yahshua say on these two commandments hang the law and prophet, because of the Decalogue the Ten Commandments encompass the relationship between "Man and YHWH" and "Man and his neighbor"

The first four commandments represents mans relationship with YHWH "The Creator"

Exo 20:3  Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4  Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the YHWH thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6  And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7  Thou shalt not take the name of the YHWH thy Elohim in vain; for the YHWH will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8  Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9  Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the YHWH thy Elohim: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11  For in six days the YHWH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the YHWH blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

And the other six commandments represent mans relationship with his neighbor

Exo 20:12  Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the YHWH thy Elohim giveth thee.
Exo 20:13  Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14  Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15  Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16  Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17  Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

I know there are 613 mitzvot (commandments)., but I believe those are not being discounted by making a reference to the Ten commandments. However, as the Ark of the Covenant is an example of YHWH throne where he sits and rules and the Tablets of stone with the Ten commandments on them where put in the Ark of the Covenant. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of YHWH throne and kingdom where he sits and rules..

I will sum it up as this the mark is on your right hand/arm. The right hand/arm is used in many references in the scriptures and represent strength/authority/allegiance/leadership/power, YHWH and the messiah for example:

Isa_63:12  That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name?
Psa_89:13  Thou hast a mighty arm: strong is thy hand, and high is thy right hand.
Psa_98:1  A Psalm. O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.


The way i see it is this having the mark of the beast on your right hand/arm means where is your allegiance to, who is your strength, who is your messiah, who is you God, your king/Government/kingdom, your husband/lord as a wife/bride and what doctrine [commandments/Torah/instructions] do you adhere to and keep.

Secondly, the mark being on the frontlet between your eyes means where is your mind/heart at being one and the same things. Is your mind/heart circumcised to Torah. Is the YHWH and his son Yahshua the focal point of your life.

Just some idea shalom all

I have been very encouraged by those who understand that Hazon Revelation 4:1 corresponds with the last trumpet of the feast of trumpets Wayyiqra Leviticus 23:24 recalling Shemoth Exodus 19:19.  So taking this as the prophesy of the rapture all is now "after the rapture" from chapter 4 onwards.   This is  confirmed by 2 Thessalonians 2:3 if you take the word apostasia to be a Greek mistranslation of "morudutha" in the Aramaic.  "After the departure (actual) not spiritual of the church, then the man of sin appears. This confirms the catching away or rapture of Tasloniqim Thessalonians 4 :17.  I am excited about this because the annual feast of trumpets is not far off now when the "trumpet of God" shall sound 1 Corin'tiym Corinthians 15:52 and we shall be changed- Halleluyah.  Thus this moedim will be fulfilled.  When this takes pace the question "What is the mark of the beast will become known to all those who dwell on earth.   They will not be part of the bride of Christ who are raptured.  I think i have it!   Aldred

The timing of these events in the context of the end times is indeed an important view point to understanding what is happening and what has already happened and then what will happen. You mention Daniel's 70 weeks for example.

I have seen this length of time used to lead up to end time events, but watching Michael Rood and his chronological bible following the events during the messiah's 70 weeks in the gospels, your quote of Daniel 9:24 takes on a whole new meaning.

If read with a clean slate mentality, the verse looks more like a Messianic road map for Yeshua's mission 2000 years ago, instead of timing of 70 weeks leading up to todays event lineup. Lets look at it again with this in mind and notice first "thy" is the Father and His people and city. The second temple was there in Jerusalem and a remnant of all the people were their too.

Second He came to make an end to sin an atonement for us.

Third the reconciliation was made by Yeshua by expressing His remembrance to the patriarchs and fulfilling His promise to redeem His bride. To gain an inheritance some one has to die. To marry a woman that you have once put away also requires a drastic change.

Third sealing up THE VISION and prophecy, reminds us all that the prophets spoke exclusively about the promised King, where the people of the Messiah's day believed it would be a reincarnated man --King David. When Elohim came through the line of David and put on human flesh, that was beyond there thinking at that time.

Fourth Yeshua ascended to Heaven, conquered death, and became the anointed the most Holy.  (Isaiah 52:13)

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of Elohim: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know you the Spirit of Elohim: Every spirit that confesses that Yehoshua HaMoshiach is come in the flesh is of Elohim:  3 And every spirit that confesses not that Yehoshua HaMoshiach is come in the flesh is not of Elohim: and this is that spirit of anti-Moshiach, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even NOW ALREADY IS it in the world.

4 You are of Elohim, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world hears them.

6 We are of Elohim: he that knows Elohim hears us; he that is not of Elohim hears not us.  Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.  (Yochanan Alef / 1 John 4:1–6)


Keith Murray said:

There are a lot of good thoughts in this discussion. I think that these kinds of discussions can be beneficial in sharpening our understanding. In order to arrive at the truth or closer to it, I think that it is essential that we seek to be as objective as possible and recognize our own indoctrination and the broader cultural influences.

For example most folks come to the table with the view that all of these events are yet future. That paradigm has to be questioned as well as many others. I think that we have to be diligent to make sure that our understanding of words and concepts are consistent with the scriptural ones.

For example, is the way in which John used the term "antichrist" in his letters (1st & 2nd John) the same as it is typically used today in discussions like this? Is there a scriptural basis for using the term "antichrist" and "beast" interchangeably? Or do most people use them that way now because people before them did?

Do we have a consistent formula for how we determine time frames? For example, most interpret the 42 months mentioned in Revelation with the understanding of that time frame being 3 1/2 literal years. However, most do not believe the ten days of tribulation in Revelation or the 70 weeks of Daniel to be literal.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Probably most people also believe the mark of the beast to be literal/physical. Yet most seem to believe the seal/mark of YHVH upon the heads of the 144,000 to be a spiritual mark.

As seen in the thread, some have reasoned that the mark of the beast must be literal because no one can buy or sell without it. Yet, what of the gold, clothing and eye salve that Y'shua expects us to purchase? Is this also literal gold that he sells in a store or on the internet some place?

Revelatin 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

I think that our best chance for seeing the truth more clearly is to begin "purging out the leaven" of our eschatology and "test all things." Recently a small study group and myself have been doing a study through Revelation. Here is the two part audio of the discussion on Revelation chapter 13 if anyone is interested. The chapter 1 through 14 are also available. I have enjoyed reading through these threads.

Revelation 13 Discussion
http://www.yeshuacast.com/paradigm-radio/revelation-13-keith-murray

Reply to Discussion

RSS

 

 

 

















 

LINKS

 

 

 

 

Badge

Loading…

© 2019   Created by James Trimm.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service