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 (Luke 1:26) And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent by Elohim into Galilee, to a city named Nazareth,

The following research proves as a witness that this was speaking of the 6th month on the Jewish Calendar not the 6th month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy

The story of the three wise men, or Magi, who came to Bethlehem to pay their respects to the Messiah Child shortly after His birth appears in the second chapter of Matthew:

Now when Y’shua was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Herod's chief priests advised the Magi where to find the King:

In Bethlehem of Judea: for thus it is written by the prophet.

(cf. Micah 5:2)

The Magi set out for Bethlehem, about 10 miles away:

…and, lo, the star which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

(The guiding star was also prophesied: Num 24:17)

I shall see him, but not now I shall behold him, but not near there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.

Modern astronomy has been able to decipher the historical facts underlying this story, resulting in a fascinating portrayal of the reality of myth. (For a full account see the book The Star of Bethlehem: the Legacy of the Magi by Michael Molnar and/or visit http://www.eclipse.net/~molnar/.)

The Magi, members of a hereditary priestly caste in ancient Media and Persia, were followers of Zoroaster (who appears in The Magic Flute under the name Sarastro). These Magi were reputed to have practiced supernatural arts (including astrology); in fact, the English word "magic" derives from "Magi." In the year 6 B.C. these Magi-astrologers would surely have observed the retrograde motion of the planet Jupiter in the constellation Aries. (Retrograde motion is an apparent reversal of the movement of a planet due to the earth's overtaking it in its orbit.) This motion, in which the planet briefly stops before reversing its course, is believed to have been responsible for the quotation above referring to the star of Bethlehem's "going before"  the Magi and "stopping" over Y’shua' birthplace; the Greek original referred to the retrograde motion of a planet and its "pausing", but the Vulgate mistranslated the excerpt as quoted above. 

Jupiter, the largest planet, had kingly connotations to the astrologers, and Aries was the sign of the Jewish peoples (to pagans. The monotheistic Jews rejected astrology.)1 Thus the motion of Jupiter in Aries would have suggested the birth of a king somewhere in the Jewish world. The star appeared in the east because in April, 6 B.C. Jupiter was a morning star, which of course is seen in the eastern sky ahead of the rising sun. This explains the otherwise puzzling contradiction that a star in the east could lead the Magi westward from Persia towards Jerusalem.

From this and other evidence, April of 6 B.C. seems the probable date of Y’shua' birth, not December 25, 1 A.D. as our calendar suggests. The "other evidence" includes the fact that Herod the Great, (mentioned in the biblical quote above), died in 4 B.C. And surely the Nativity took place in the spring; Luke tells us (2:8): "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." Shepherds don't "abide in the fields" in wintertime. They abide there during lambing season (spring). The celebration of Messiahmas in December comes from the adaptation of an old pagan feast, Sol Invictus (the unconquerable sun), to the new Messiahian holiday. To sum it all up, modern science has shown that the story of the Magi is not just a child's fairy tale, but a historical event.

 

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There is evidence that Yeshua was born at Sukkot. The key to calculating the date of the birth of Messiah is Luke 1:5 where we learn that Zechariah the father of Yochanan was a priest of the course of Abijah.

The priests became to numerous to all serve at the Temple all the time, so they were divided into 24 courses (1Chron. 24). Each course served for two weeks each year, once in the former rain (first half of the year) and once in the latter rain (second half of the year). There were also three weeks in which all the priests were required to serve, these were the three pilgrimage festivals (Dt. 16:16). 24 times 2 is 48 plus three is 51. 51 weeks is 357 days fitting nicely within the 360 day
lunar year.

The course of Abijah is the eighth course (1Chron. 24:10) which serves the tenth week during the former rain portion of the year (this is because during Passover and Shavuot (Pentecost) all for the priests serve together Dt. 16:16). Zechariah had his vision while serving in the course of Abijah in the tenth week (It will become apparent that he was serving his first course not his second as the timing will show as we progress). Thus Zechariah's vision took place during the 10th week of the year (The religious year beginning at Nisan/Abib around 14 days before Passover). We must add two additional weeks before Yochanon (John) could be conceived, due to the purity laws (Lev. 12:5; 15:19, 25). So Yochanon was concieved in the 12th week of the year. He was born about 40 weeks later during the 52nd week of the year (12 + 40 = 52) which brings us to Passover. Thus Yochanon was born at Passover, the very time that Elijah was, according to Jewish tradition, supposed to appear.

Yeshua was conceived 6 months (about 25 weeks) after Yochanon's conception. This means Yeshua was conceived around the 37th week around Chanukah. This would mean the light of the world was conceived during the festival of lights.

Yeshua was born 40 weeks later (around week 77 that is week 25 of the following year) this brings us to the time of the fall feasts.

There are several clues that Yeshua was born at Sukkot:

1. Bethleham was "booked solid." This would not have been due census which would have taken place over the period of a year.  Every Jew was required to come to Jerusalem for Sukkot (Dt. 16:16) this would have over run Jerusalem as well as Bethleham just five miles away.

2. Yeshua was born in a “manger” or stable. The Hebrew word for "stable" is "sukkah" (as in Gen. 33:17) so it is likely that Yeshua was born in a Sukkah/booth.

3. If Yeshua was born on the first day of Sukkot then he would have been circumcised on the "eighth great day" a festival following Sukkot. This day was the original "Simchat Torah" (Rejoicing in the Torah) which is now held the following day in Rabbinic Judaism. So Yeshua would have entered the covenant on the day of "rejoicing in the Torah."

4. When the angels appeared to the shepherds they made a statement which closely echoes the ancient Sukkot liturgy "...behold, we have come to declare to you glad tidings of great joy." (Lk. 2:10-11)

5. Sukkot is symbolic of Elohim dwelling in a "tabernacle" (body?) with us.

Sixth month" in Luke 1:26 is clearly a follow up to "five months" in 1:24 and in context obviously refers to the sixth month of Elizabeth's pregnancy.

Using the Qumran calendar presents its own problems, there is debate as to how that calendar even worked, much less as to how it worked with the 48 courses with a solar year of 52 weeks.

Pratt is a Mormon, is is going to great lengths to place the date on April 6th because that was the "birth date" of the Mormon Church (April 6th, 1830).

Scripture does not say in the 6th month of Elizabeth's Pregnancy-Word says 6th month period-which i interpret 6th month of Yah's calendar-further witness that going 6 mo. forward put birth in Spring that the Shepherds were in the field at Y'shua birth which only happens in the spring during lambing season.-Shalom   

James Trimm said:

There is evidence that Yeshua was born at Sukkot. The key to calculating the date of the birth of Messiah is Luke 1:5 where we learn that Zechariah the father of Yochanan was a priest of the course of Abijah.

The priests became to numerous to all serve at the Temple all the time, so they were divided into 24 courses (1Chron. 24). Each course served for two weeks each year, once in the former rain (first half of the year) and once in the latter rain (second half of the year). There were also three weeks in which all the priests were required to serve, these were the three pilgrimage festivals (Dt. 16:16). 24 times 2 is 48 plus three is 51. 51 weeks is 357 days fitting nicely within the 360 day
lunar year.

The course of Abijah is the eighth course (1Chron. 24:10) which serves the tenth week during the former rain portion of the year (this is because during Passover and Shavuot (Pentecost) all for the priests serve together Dt. 16:16). Zechariah had his vision while serving in the course of Abijah in the tenth week (It will become apparent that he was serving his first course not his second as the timing will show as we progress). Thus Zechariah's vision took place during the 10th week of the year (The religious year beginning at Nisan/Abib around 14 days before Passover). We must add two additional weeks before Yochanon (John) could be conceived, due to the purity laws (Lev. 12:5; 15:19, 25). So Yochanon was concieved in the 12th week of the year. He was born about 40 weeks later during the 52nd week of the year (12 + 40 = 52) which brings us to Passover. Thus Yochanon was born at Passover, the very time that Elijah was, according to Jewish tradition, supposed to appear.

Yeshua was conceived 6 months (about 25 weeks) after Yochanon's conception. This means Yeshua was conceived around the 37th week around Chanukah. This would mean the light of the world was conceived during the festival of lights.

Yeshua was born 40 weeks later (around week 77 that is week 25 of the following year) this brings us to the time of the fall feasts.

There are several clues that Yeshua was born at Sukkot:

1. Bethleham was "booked solid." This would not have been due census which would have taken place over the period of a year.  Every Jew was required to come to Jerusalem for Sukkot (Dt. 16:16) this would have over run Jerusalem as well as Bethleham just five miles away.

2. Yeshua was born in a “manger” or stable. The Hebrew word for "stable" is "sukkah" (as in Gen. 33:17) so it is likely that Yeshua was born in a Sukkah/booth.

3. If Yeshua was born on the first day of Sukkot then he would have been circumcised on the "eighth great day" a festival following Sukkot. This day was the original "Simchat Torah" (Rejoicing in the Torah) which is now held the following day in Rabbinic Judaism. So Yeshua would have entered the covenant on the day of "rejoicing in the Torah."

4. When the angels appeared to the shepherds they made a statement which closely echoes the ancient Sukkot liturgy "...behold, we have come to declare to you glad tidings of great joy." (Lk. 2:10-11)

5. Sukkot is symbolic of Elohim dwelling in a "tabernacle" (body?) with us.

WHEN WAS Y'SHUA BORN

-- 'hark the herald angel sing, glory to the newborn king' -- so.. i think they mean December 25? bwa ha ha ha

I agree with James regarding the "sixth" month. It is understood in the context of the fifth month of Miriam's pregnancy.

Here is an alternate viewpoint regarding the time of year of his birth. Here is one place that you can check out: http://www.feastsofthelord.net/id156.html

 

Consider this: We understand that the "et" or Aleph-Tav (Word) was in the beginning. And that by him, (the Aleph-Tav) were all things made. In the first word of Genesis "Bereshith", among the many words and concepts seen there is the phrase Tishri B' Aleph or 1st of Tishri. Therefore Feast of Trumpets (1st of Tishri) is celebrates the creation of the world and focuses upon themes such as kingship, etc.

 

Many believe based upon the phrase "no man knows the day nor hour" that Y'shua will return on a Feast of Trumpets. It is also understood that the Word (Aleph-Tav) would appear in the fourth day just as the fourth word in verse one of Genesis. We then see the Aleph-Tav again connected by the Vav/nail in the sixth word.

 

  • Could it be that Genesis 1:1 reveals that the Aleph-Tav created the world on 1st of Tishri
  • That the Aleph-Tav appeared in the flesh on the 1st of Tishri in the fourth day.
  • That the Aleph-Tav that was pierced will appear on the 1st of Tishri at the sixth day?

 

Just some food for thought. I think it is clear that he was born in the fall. I think that some of the astronomical data as well as scriptural patterns make a good case for Trumpets or Sukkot.

Another aspect that really has to be taken into consideration in investigating this subject is the death of Herod. Up until recent years, most thought that Herod died in around 4 bc because of Josephus. However, the professor in the article below and others site variations in Josephus' writings after the printing press. According to this professor and others that I have heard, all copies of Josephus before 1544 would place the date of Herod's death later. Several possibilites of time frames are mentioned in this article: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=034_1195842414 

 

Another piece to consider is Revelation 12. In the passage we see a woman clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars. Some describe this event as having occurred on 1st of Tishri in which the sun rose within Virgo (Virgin) with the new moon of Tishri under her feet.

 

There seems to be evidence that could point in a few different directions. To me, most of the evidence that I have seen would indicate a birth in fall. Lots of interesting thoughts in this thread to consider though.

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