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Who can serve in a leadership position in Assembly?

Who can serve in a leadership position in Assembly?

They say what God unites man can not separate, and it is written that man and woman become one flesh. Recent studies show that it happens literally by genetic adaptations even when in a relationship there is no child. Now many so called leaders from assemblies not even that have been married more times, and that according Yeshua is adultery since both take another partner, but they let a woman to serve a deacons/deaconess or even bishop or in any other leader position that have same past problems. In what conditions can this serve in a congregation according Tanach, Yeshua, and the epistles of Paul the apostle?  How is an angel (not married for the Kingdom of Elohim) of a assembly rebuked since he let a woman, the prototype of Isabel, to teach men?

What the place is of divorced in Assembly (from ISR)

Matthew 19:9 “And I say to you, whoever puts away his wife, except on the ground of whoring, and marries another, commits adultery.1 And whoever marries her who has been put away commits adultery.”1 Footnote: 1See footnote 5:32.

Matthew 19:10 His taught ones said to Him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is good not to marry.”

Matthew 19:11 And He said to them, “Not all receive this word, but only those to whom it has been given ...

Mark 10:29 Yeshua said, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for the sake of Me and the Good News,

Mark 10:30 who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come, everlasting life.

Mark 10:31“But many who are first shall be last, and the last first.”

How can one be consecrated to Lord after was in a marriage so that can serve the Assembly of Elohim?

Numbers 6:1 ADONAI said to Moshe (Moses),

Numbers 6:2 "Tell the people of Isra'el, 'When either a man or a woman makes a special kind of vow, the vow of a nazir, consecrating himself to ADONAI; [...]

Numbers 6:8 Throughout the time of his being a Nazir he is holy for ADONAI.

In Low is also written:

Deuteronomy 22:5 “A woman does not wear that which pertains to a man, nor does a man put on a woman's garment, for whoever does this is an abomination to LORD your GOD.

What does Paul say in his Epistles regarding man/woman issues in the assembly of saints?

1 Corinth 7:1 And concerning the matters you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

1Corinth 7:2 But because of whoring, let each one have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.

1Tim 3:1 Trustworthy is the word: If a man longs for the position of an overseer, he desires a good work.

1Tim 3:2 Now an Bishop (superintended, overseer), then, should be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, sensible, orderly, kind to strangers, able to teach,

1Timo 3:3 not given to wine, no brawler, but gentle, not quarrelsome, no lover of money,

1Timo 3:4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in subjection with all reverence,

1Timo 3:5 for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how shall he look after the assembly of Elohim?

1Timo 3:6 Not a new convert, lest he become puffed up with pride and fall into the judgment of the devil.

1Timo 3:7 And he should even have a good witness from those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

1Timo 3:8 Likewise Deacons (attendants) are to be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for filthy gain,

1Timo 3:9 holding to the secret of the belief with a clean conscience.

1Timo 3:10 And let these also be proved first, then let them serve, if they are unreprovable.

1Timo 3:11Also women (or their wives as Prisca and Aquila) in the same way: reverent, not false accusers, sober, trustworthy in every way.

1Timo 3:12 Let deacons (attendants) be the husbands of only one wife, ruling children and their own houses well.

1Timo 3:13 For those who have served well as attendants gain good standing for themselves, and much boldness in the belief that is in Messiah Yeshua.

Head Coverings (from NIV)

1Corinth 11:2  Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.

1Corinth 11:3  But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

1Corinth 11:4  Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.

1Corinth 11:5  But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved{Deut 21.12 – Torah notes};

1Corinth 11:6  For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered. {Num 5.18};{Deut 22.5};

1Corinth 11:7  For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. {Gen 1.26-27};{Gen 5.1};{Gen 9.6};

1Corinth 11:8  For man is not from woman, but woman from man. {Gen 2.21-22};

1Corinth 11:9  Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.{Gen 2.18-23};

1Corinth 11:10  For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. {Gen 24.65};{Ecl 5.6};

1Corinth 11:11  Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord.

1Corinth 11:12  For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.

1Corinth 11:13  Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?

1Corinth 11:14  Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?

1Corinth 11:15  But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.

1Corinth 11:16  But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

 

Order in Assembly Meetings (from NIV)

 

1Corinth 14:26  How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

1Corinth 14:27  If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

1Corinth 14:28  But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

1Corinth 14:29  Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

1Corinth 14:30  If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

1Corinth 14:31  For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

1Corinth 14:32  And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

1Corinth 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

1Corinth 14:34  Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1Corinth 14:35  And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the assembly (church - NIV).

1Corinth 14:36  What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

1Corinth 14:37  If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1Corinth 14:38  But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

1Corinth 14:39  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

1Corinth 14:40  Let all things be done decently and in order.

 

The Man is the Glory of God (from NIV)

 

2Corinth 3:7  But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,  {Rom 7.10};{Ex 34.1-28};{Deut 10.1};{Ex 34.29-85};

2Corinth 3:8  how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? {Gal 3.5};

2Corinth 3:9  For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. {Rom 1.17};{Rom 3.21};

2Corinth 3:10  For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.

2Corinth 3:11  For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

2Corinth 3:12  Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech—  {2Corintheans7.4};{Efes 6.19};

2Corinth 3:13  unlike Moses, who (which) put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. {Ex 34.33-35};{Rom 10.4};{Gal 3.23};

2Corinth 3:14  But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. (or: which vail is done away only in Christ.)

{Isa 6.10};{Matthew 13.11-14};{Ioan 12.40};{Acts 28.26};{Rom 11.7-25};{2Corintheans4.4};

2Corinth 3:15  But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.

2Corinth 3:16  Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.  {Ex 34.34};{Rom 11.23-26};{Isa 25.7};

2Corinth 3:17  Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

{1Corintheans15.45};{2Corintheans3.6};

2Corinth 3:18  But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

{1Corintheans13.12};{2Corintheans4.4-6};{1Tim 1.11};{Rom 8.29};{1Corintheans15.49};{Col 3.10};

 

The Corrupt Assembly (Church - NKJV)

Apocalypse 2:18  “And to the angel of the assembly in Thyatira write,

‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:

Apoca 2:19  “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first.

Apoca 2:20  Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.

Apoca 2:21  And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent.

Apoca 2:22  Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.

Apoca 2:23  I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.

Apoca 2:24  “Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden.

Apoca 2:25  But hold fast what you have till I come.

Apoca 2:26  And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—

 

Again: Deuteronomy 22:5 "A woman does not wear that which pertains to a man, nor does a man put on a woman's garment, for whoever does this is an abomination to LORD your GOD. "

 

So putting a woman in the garments of a man is a abomination to the LORD, so if you are a woman and read this do not say anymore that "Paul is not God" or other replies that I have get on messianic radio station this year. And Remeber that He said: "Not all receive this word ..." and Paul said: "the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord".

 

Shlama and Blessings!

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Well were do I begin....

 

The word for "covered" in 1Cor. 11 in both the Hebrew and Aramaic means to totally cover over, hide or veil.  It refers to a man who wears a woman's veil, not to a man who wears a "hat" (the High Priest was required to wear a miter (hat) so it could hardly be an abomination for a man to wear one. 


See:

http://nazarenespace.com/forum/topics/the-head-covering-of-a-man

 

As for the issue of divorce I would direct you to:

http://nazarenespace.com/group/nazarenehalacha/forum/topics/2182335...

 

and:

 

http://nazarenespace.com/group/virtualchamberofhewnstone/forum/topi...

 

and:

 

http://nazarenespace.com/group/nazarenehalacha/forum/topics/2182335...

 

On women speaking in the Assembly see:

http://nazarenespace.com/group/nazarenehalacha/forum/topics/2182335...

 

Generally "husband of one wife" is taken to mean "one wife at any given time".  In fact the Aramaic can be understood as an idiom meaning "a particular wife".

What is this "assembly" you speak of....?

I used "Assembly of Elohim" or "Assembly of Saints", refering to any gathering of two or more consecrated or baptised belivers, in Aramaic: עִדָתָא דּקַדִּישֵׁא "Adathe D'Kadishe" (Assemblies of Saints) in 1Corinthians 14:33, בּעִדּתָּא "b'adathe (in assembly - singular, feminine) in 1Corinthians 14:35. In greek we have ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑΙΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΓΙΩΝ "Ekklesiais ton Agion" (Assemblies of Saints - consacrated, sacred, pure); and ΕΝ  ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ  - en ekkesia (in assembly). The second term apear in Acts, Corintheans and Colossians several times.

The other term is דעדתא - D'Adatha (the Assembly, Church) that have the sufix of a separate entity or of majesty in arameic same as "The" in english and "Ha" in hebraic.

This term's form apears several times in the last part of the aramaic Peshitta in: 

Acts 20:17; Romans 16:1; 1Corinthians 14:12; Ephesians 5:23; Ephesians 5:24; Philippians 3:6; Colossians 1:18; Hebrews 2:12; James 5:14; 3John 1:12; Revelation 2:8; Revelation 3:7; and Revelation 3:14.


Solomon said:

What is this "assembly" you speak of....?

Thank you for remembering me about the diffrence between 'totally cover over' and another form of head coverings. Yes, this comes when Miriam the sister of Aaron have places she's veil over Mose's head and was later made a custom, but was never commanded by Elohim, from what I know.

We can still cover our heads when we do readings not to be disturbed, but rabi Shaul sais now in 1 Corintheans11:4,5  that "Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head ...".

This is not a issue of giving teaching to men by a woman and less about when she do this should have the head veiled...

By "shameful for a woman to speak out in a congregational meeting" I undestand that is shameful for the leader or in case of the rebuke from Revelation for "the angel" for who was writen: "you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants...".

My point is there is hardly any assembly today. (By the way, the Jews reckon an assembly to be at least 10 persons.)
We are scattered, and have no practical use of any hierarchy.


Florin C Bodin said:

I used "Assembly of Elohim" or "Assembly of Saints", refering to any gathering of two or more consecrated or baptised belivers, in Aramaic: עִדָתָא דּקַדִּישֵׁא "Adathe D'Kadishe" (Assemblies of Saints) in 1Corinthians 14:33, בּעִדּתָּא "b'adathe (in assembly - singular, feminine) in 1Corinthians 14:35. In greek we have ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑΙΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΓΙΩΝ "Ekklesiais ton Agion" (Assemblies of Saints - consacrated, sacred, pure); and ΕΝ  ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ  - en ekkesia (in assembly). The second term apear in Acts, Corintheans and Colossians several times.

The other term is דעדתא - D'Adatha (the Assembly, Church) that have the sufix of a separate entity or of majesty in arameic same as "The" in english and "Ha" in hebraic.

This term's form apears several times in the last part of the aramaic Peshitta in: 

Acts 20:17; Romans 16:1; 1Corinthians 14:12; Ephesians 5:23; Ephesians 5:24; Philippians 3:6; Colossians 1:18; Hebrews 2:12; James 5:14; 3John 1:12; Revelation 2:8; Revelation 3:7; and Revelation 3:14.


Solomon said:

What is this "assembly" you speak of....?

To the contrary there are Nazarene Assemblies all over the world that have more than ten members.

There is one in Temple Texas with an actual Synagogue building and a lot more than ten members, and that is just one example. In fact we just added a new congregation in Brazil last month. 

 

 

 

 

These are (actually) study groups, like the Jewish synagogues originally were - if they pretend to be anything else they are deluded.
Religious rituals are for the temple, which has not been built yet.
Study groups can be of any size and nature and are completely informal.

James Trimm said:

To the contrary there are Nazarene Assemblies all over the world that have more than ten members.

There is one in Temple Texas with an actual Synagogue building and a lot more than ten members, and that is just one example. In fact we just added a new congregation in Brazil last month. 

 

 

 

 

Catholic mass is a religious ritual. In a torahless context this is synonymous with witchcraft.
Getting together to praise God (in and of itself) is not.

Witchcraft is the manipulation of the spiritual realm or occult natural laws through (usually somewhat standardized) rituals and rites, for the cause of obtaining a specific result in the physical world
When a certain formula is performed and a certain result is automatically achieved, that is witchcraft, or in other words, there are certain rituals where doing a specific formula has an intended result, the medium of delivery being spiritual or supernatural; this same thing, in a positive context, could essentially also describe the rituals performed by the Aaronic priesthood in the tabernacle and temples, in which case it is understood to be a sacred ritual empowered by and in the Holy Spirit unto the glory of God the Father.




grouch said:

  Solomon, what do you consider relegious rituals ? do you feel the Sabbath service liturgy from a siddur to be a religious ritual ?



Solomon said:

These are (actually) study groups, like the Jewish synagogues originally were - if they pretend to be anything else they are deluded.
Religious rituals are for the temple, which has not been built yet.
Study groups can be of any size and nature and are completely informal.

James Trimm said:

To the contrary there are Nazarene Assemblies all over the world that have more than ten members.

There is one in Temple Texas with an actual Synagogue building and a lot more than ten members, and that is just one example. In fact we just added a new congregation in Brazil last month. 

 

 

 

 

Ever since the destruction of the temple, Jews and Christians have been turning their synagogues and churches into ersatz temples, completely contrary to the commandments of Elohim.

 

Who can serve in a leadership position in Assembly?

 

i nominate Anayahu!

 

 

 

i second that nomination for brother Any!!

beryl etanah said:

 

Who can serve in a leadership position in Assembly?

 

i nominate Anayahu!

 

 

 

 

grouch that was not the kind of answer florin is asking.

i just wanted Anayahu and every one to laugh for a while.

you know this forum used to be a very vibrant board.

 

shavua tov.

 

grouch said:

  beryl,  so by your nomination of anayahu , does this mean you would go to his  " assembly " and place yourself under his teachings and guideance ?



beryl etanah said:

 

Who can serve in a leadership position in Assembly?

 

i nominate Anayahu!

 

 

 

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