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Comment by James Trimm on June 28, 2009 at 10:48pm

Currently it is our land, when Messiah returns it will be our Kingdom as well.

Comment by YishaiMonty on June 28, 2009 at 8:31pm

You said.......
" There are in fact many Jewish movements, groups and organizations whose ideology regarding Zionism and the so-called "State of Israel" is that of the unadulterated Torah position that any form of Zionism is heresy and that the existence of the so-called "State of Israel" is illegitimate.

No one has had to create any antagonism between our Torah and Zionism because such antagonism exists by virtue of the essence of Judaism itself, which can never tolerate the heresy of Zionism.

Zionism is wrong from the Torah viewpoint, not because many of its adherents are lax in practice or even anti-religious, but because its fundamental principle conflicts with the Torah.

Unfortunately, due to many undesirable factors, the view of Torah-true Jewry has been concealed from the general public.

We, the staff at www.jewsnotzionists.org are delighted that with the advance in media technology a substantial benefit to researchers, students, and the general public has been made available. We are elated at the advantage which the internet provides for the presentation of and accessibility to a position so widely held yet so deliberately ignored by many a Zionist-inclined medium.

It is our hope that the information presented on this site will be of benefit to all and that we soon merit the peaceful dismantlement of the so-called "State of Israel" and that Jewish-Muslim brotherhood be restored as prior to the arrival of the Zionist scheme on the global scene. "

Comment by Pearl on June 28, 2009 at 8:21pm

YishaiMonty, Please explain what I have said that would make you think that I do not take the promises seriously. I would have thought you'd come to the opposite conclusion, silly me. Maybe some of the labels, such as Zionism, have many definitions in these times, some with the opposite meaning as the original.
But please provide additional comments.

Comment by YishaiMonty on June 28, 2009 at 7:44pm

The Israel YHVH promised is much larger than the current state, but it is by His hand that there is the state of Israel. It is by His hand that the tide of war in every attack against His people resulted in more land for Israel! No doubt man has a bad hand in there goverment, but it's all in His hands....... Am Israel Chai!

Comment by Mike Clark on June 28, 2009 at 7:43pm

Pearl, having gone to Chabad, I can tell you they do see the land is ours, but do not see any of the leaders in charge, they do not recognize any leader, and to do so can get you kicked out. So, they do see the land as ours, but until Messiah comes and takes charge, they do not recognize any authority at all. It is felt until the Jews are sent out to the whole world to teach the Torah, Messiah can not come, so until Messiah is on the throne, and the Torah has been taught through the whole world, things are not the way they will be one day, I hope I made some sense out of this, my thoughts and fingers are not working together.
Mika'el

Comment by Pearl on June 28, 2009 at 7:34pm

How do you feel the ORIGINAL Hasidim would view the current State of Israel? Do you feel the State of Israel is the Nation of Israel? Was all the promised land won?

Comment by YishaiMonty on June 28, 2009 at 7:26pm

Pearl, a Jew or Israelite who does not take the promise to Jacob seriously, has no part in the promise, and is not included in the blessing of all Israel!

Comment by Lev-Tsiyon on June 28, 2009 at 3:02pm

That does not mean that by default he is in error on everything he comments on. Slapping a label on someone and then judging his writings on the basis of the label is not sound criticism. Let us judge a man by what he says and not by his creed for if the truth be known we shall all be found wanting at the judgment bar of YHWH, Torah or no Torah.

Comment by Lev-Tsiyon on June 28, 2009 at 4:33am

2 swords for 12 men is enough.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

22:21-38 How unbecoming is the worldly ambition of being the greatest, to the character of a follower of [Yah'shua], who took upon him the form of a servant, and humbled himself to the death of the cross! In the way to eternal happiness, we must expect to be assaulted and sifted by Satan. If he cannot destroy, he will try to disgrace or distress us. Nothing more certainly forebodes a fall, in a professed follower of Christ, than self-confidence, with disregard to warnings, and contempt of danger. Unless we watch and pray always, we may be drawn in the course of the day into those sins which we were in the morning most resolved against. If believers were left to themselves, they would fall; but they are kept by the power of [Elohim], and the prayer of Christ. Our [Master] gave notice of a very great change of circumstances now approaching. The disciples must not expect that their friends would be kind to them as they had been. Therefore, he that has a purse, let him take it, for he may need it. They must now expect that their enemies would be more fierce than they had been, and they would need weapons. At the time the apostles understood Christ to mean real weapons, but he spake only of the weapons of the spiritual warfare. The sword of the Spirit is the sword with which the disciples of Christ must furnish themselves.

Comment by Pearl on June 27, 2009 at 4:57pm

Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here [are] two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. And they said, Lord, behold, here [are] two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough."

2 swords for 12 men is enough.

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