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Outreach to Rabbinic Judaism

A group for discussing bringing the message of the true [Torah Advocate] Messiah to Rabbinic Jews.

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Let's Get Truthful - A Response to the Anti-Missionaries

"I have listened to these tapes by Dr. James Trimm
and I HIGHLY recommend them for your studies."
- Eddie Chumney - Hebraic Heritage Ministries Int'l

“truth is great, and will prevail if left to herself, and is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and can have nothing to fear from the conflict, unless (by human interposition) disarmed of her natural weapons – free argument and debate: errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them.”
- Thomas Jefferson

Discussion Forum

The Two Comings of Messiah

Started by James Trimm. Last reply by Smart Jun 18, 2011. 3 Replies

There are two basic versions of the two Messiah theory: 1. The "rabbinic" two Messiah theory which held to a Messiah the sonof Joseph, sometimes called "Ephraim." who would come and suffer to redeem…Continue

Proof that Yeshua is the Messiah

Started by James Trimm. Last reply by 命 Feb 22, 2011. 2 Replies

Proof that Yeshua is the MessiahBy James TrimmYeshua MUST be Messiah (regardless of whether or not any other "Messianic Prophecies" are validly speaking of Yeshua)Isaiah 29 ties the apostasy of Judah…Continue

The pre-existence of the Messiah

Started by James Trimm. Last reply by 命 Feb 22, 2011. 3 Replies

The pre-existence of the Messiah is taught, even in the Tanak.  But you, Beit-Lechem Ephrathah,which are little to be among the thousands of Y’hudah,out of you shall one come forth unto Methat is to…Continue

Reclaiming Yeshua for Judaism

Started by James Trimm. Last reply by Brian Forbes Dec 29, 2010. 3 Replies

We have just published a new free ebook from the Worldwide Nazarene Assembly of Elohim: Reclaiming Yeshua for Judaism…Continue


Started by James Trimm. Last reply by Cliff Tucker Jul 5, 2010. 2 Replies

The anti-missionaries have made the claim that Christians changedPs. 22:16 (17) to read "they have pierced" rather than "like a lion".Now let us seek the TRUTH on this matter:The difference between…Continue

Of Whom Does the Prophet (Is. 53)?

Started by James Trimm. Last reply by Kenny Cartwright Jul 5, 2010. 2 Replies

From my book Nazarene Theology at Whom Does the Prophet Speak?Is. 52:7-53:12 is the fourth of four "servant…Continue

The Rabbis on Isaiah 53

Started by James Trimm Mar 15, 2010. 0 Replies

On Is. 52:7Rabbi Jose the Galilean says: Great is peace-for at the hour theKing Messiahreveals himself unto Israel, he will begin in no other way thanwith "peace"as it is written: "How beautiful upon…Continue

Zech. 13:6

Started by James Trimm Mar 15, 2010. 0 Replies

There are a number of passages which many pasttranslations have translated poorly. The HRV seeks to correct suchmistranslations which have often led to misunderstandings. Thefollowing are some…Continue

Is. 9:6-7 and the Prophetic Perfect

Started by James Trimm Mar 15, 2010. 0 Replies

Isaiah 9:6-7For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:and the government shall be upon his shoulder:and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,The mighty God, The everlasting…Continue

Kiss the Son

Started by James Trimm Mar 15, 2010. 0 Replies

Anti-missionaries argue that Ps. 2:12 should be translated "pay homage tothe pure one" rather than "kiss the Son".Interestingly the Zohar makes use of Ps. 2:12 as follows:"We may also translate "he…Continue

Comment Wall

Comment by James Trimm on March 15, 2010 at 3:06pm

Originally published back in 1999, this "tape set" became unavailable when our tape duplicator and original masters were destroyed in a flood in 2004, now its back!

A 14 "tape" (MP3) set response to Rabbi Tovia Singer's anti-missionary
tape set "Let's Get Biblical" from Outreach Judaism, now in a single ZIP file of MP3 Files, including a bonus "tape" and PDF Study Guide.

But Let's Get Truthful is just half the price of Singer's tape set!

Over 15 hours of teaching!

"I have listened to these tapes by Dr. James Trimm and I HIGHLY recommend them for your studies."
- Eddie Chumney - Hebraic Heritage Ministries Int'l

"Tape Set" (mp3's) includes:

TAPE ONE: INTRODUCTION - Learn how the anti-missionaries mislead their
audience. Learn how they do not apply the same rules to themselves
as they apply to their opposition. Learn the four levels of understanding of any scripture.

TAPE TWO: THE TWO MESSIAH THEORY - Learn how anciently Judaism
maintained a belief in two Messiah's: a suffering servant and a Davidic leader. Learn how the Qumran community believed in two coming Messiahs. Learn how ancient Jewish scholars questioned whether these would be two Messiahs or two comings of one Messiah.

Hosea 11:1b out of context? Have Messianic believers changed Psalm
22? Does Mt. 2:23 just invent a Messianic prophecy from nowhere? This tape answers all these questions.

TAPE FOUR: SIN AND ATONEMENT, - James discusses the logistics of
atonement. What does the scripture really mean "Avram believed YHWH and it was counted to him as righteousness" (Gen. 15:6). What did Avram believe? What does EMUNA (translated believe) mean in Hebrew? Who did Avram believe in and how was this counted to him as righteousness? Learn the answers to these questions and more.

TAPE FIVE: ISAIAH 53 PART 1 - Go line by line through Isaiah 52:7-
53:12. Who is speaking? Do these passages speak of Israel? Do they speak of Messiah? Learn the answers.

TAPE SIX: ISAIAH 53 PART 2 - Learn what ancient Rabbinic literature
taught about Is. 52:7-53:12. What does the Targum say? What does the
Talmud say? What does the Zohar say? Learn the answers.

TAPE SEVEN: ISAIAH 53 PART 3 - Learn what the Qumran community thought
about the figure of Is. 52:7-53:12 before Yeshua was even born.

TAPE EIGHT: THE DEITY OF MESSIAH PART 1 - Learn the truth about the
deity issue.


TAPE TEN: ISAIAH 9:5-6; ZECH. 12:10 & ZECH. 13:6 - Have Bible
translators altered Is. 9:5-6? Have Messianics misused Zech. 12:10 & 13:6? Find out.

TAPE ELEVEN: DANIEL 9 and Is. 7:14 - Does Daniel nine foretell the date of the coming of Messiah? What does the Talmud say? What do the Dead Sea Scrolls say? Find out. Does Mt. 1:23 misuse Is. 7:14 regarding a virgin birth? Find out.

TAPE TWELVE: PSALM 2:12 and PSALM 110 Does Psalm 2:12 say "kiss the
son"? Does Ps. 110 speak of the Messiah? What does the Targum say
about Ps. 110? What do the Dead Sea Scrolls say about Ps. 110? Has Ps. 110 been changed? Who changed it, when and why? Find out.

Testament really full of mistakes and contradictions? Do these writings meet the same standards as those of the Tanak? Find out.

clear from the prophecies that Yehua is the Messiah.

BONUS TAPE: WHY WE KNOW YESHUA IS THE MESSIAH - This bonus "tape" was not included in the original 1999 set but was recorded in 2000 at the Netzarim 2000 Conference.

PDF Study Guide - A PDF copy of the original Study Guide is also included in this ZIP.

Comment by Jason Jordan on July 25, 2010 at 1:11am
I'd just like to state for the record that I have read one of the official Messianic Jewish websites in regard to their view of the Talmud and Rabbinic Judaism and I dissagree with them. They virtually attribute them as being mine fields over anything else, though they don't entirely reject them.

the Truth is, Torah and Scipture are "Yahweh breathed," not inspired, but rather works like the Mishnah and Zohar are inspired.

Even when Brother Trimm writes a book about these matters technically it is inspired!

Just needed to get this out there.

Love to all.

Comment by Kenny Cartwright on July 26, 2010 at 9:04pm
Good point Jason. I have other problems with"official Messianic Judaism". Keeping TOrah as a lure for Jews when YESHUA as well as Torah says we are to do so cuz we love G-D, keeping Shabbat andKosher when it looks good but violating when it seems ok to do so, excluding gentiles from Torahobservance, etc. Your comment is very wise. Grace adn Shalom Rav to you
Comment by Wayne Ingalls on August 29, 2010 at 11:09pm

"Sin" is defined as violation of the Torah. Some define "sin" as violation of the commands of the rabbis. Clearly this "lashing," whether truly 39 lashes or 39 light taps with a whip, was done for a violation of an interpretation of rabbinic enactments. Conservative Jews, Reform Jews, and I would expect even most Orthodox Jews would disagree with this act, and will come out against it in the days to come.

A similar thing could be said of this:,7340,L-3945117,00.html

R. Ovadiah Yosef took the traditional Rosh HaShanah blessing: "May our enemies and adversaries be destroyed", and applied it to the current situation. "Abu Mazen (Abbas) and all those evil men – may they perish from this world. May God Almighty strike them and these Palestinians."

What do you think? Should Nazarenes publicly agree with Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef on this subject?

Comment by Yacov Shlomo on February 21, 2011 at 3:49pm
Where is the passage that Prohibits us from changing religions?


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