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Comment by Jeremiah Moses on June 16, 2009 at 6:51pm

That was good Shawn I liked what you said and I agree with it!!! This subject is hard and with all love and humility I stand for My dear brothers and sister in the Messianic movement that dislike this. But I seem to not be able to pass over that the Word says that many Nations would come from Abraham and they would be melo hagoyim and we wont even talk about ephraim's prophecy. Then we stand at the door of the two houses and the more and more I look into it the more I find it makes perfect since ... Its Abba's Love over flowing to all people's Jew and Gentile.

Comment by Shawn on June 12, 2009 at 8:36am

In my estimation of the Tanak and the NT, one cannot get too wrapped up trying to determine Israelite heritage, history, and location. In fact it is the very mission of Mashiach and it is our obligation to assisst in this mission. To be a fisher of men is to be a person who seeks the bodies and souls of the twelve tribes of Israel among the sea of the goyim.

A left over of our Roman christianity mind set is spiritualize everthing and undermine the physical. So we may think "well lets focus on a spiritualized Israel thats more what Hashem cares about, rather than the physical seed."

When we realize that we currently live in a physical universe and spirituality has no power without acting throug the physical, then we come to the realization that the physical and the spirtual are of equal importance. So too with the physical seed of the twelve tribes of Israel. Hashem made promises in the Torah to the physical bodies and spiritual souls of the twelve tribes of Israel. In order for Israel to recieve their spiritual blessings they must be present in their physical bodies. Since the majority of the twelve tribes (10 northern tribes) of Israel were absorbed into the gentiles 2800 years ago, this Necessitates
a mission into the gentiles, into all nations, to draw OUT of the the gentiles the physical Israelite seed trapped among them.

Yeshua said "My sheep hear my voice" He being the king of the twelve tribes of Israel means that HIS sheep are Israelites. If you are drawn to the spirit of Yeshua (not to be confused with the Roman sun god known as Jesus) this is a clear indicator that you are a physical Israelite descendant regardless of wether you have kept track of this heritage or not (Hashem has).

In addition, in order to draw all men unto himself Hashem set out a plan of action. That plan included the twelve tribes of Israel as a kingdom of priests, who are to be a light to the nations. The nation of Israel is to instruct all gentiles in the ways of Hashem not the other way around. If it is Israels task to heal all nations then they themselves must be made whole first. Yeshua came to intiate the healing of the two houses of Israel and to round them up and to make them one again. In fact he stated "I was ONLY sent" to the tribes of Israel. By Yeshua repairing the nation of Israel into one again he is facilitating the eventual rectification of all mankind to Hashem through the restored twelve tribes of Israel.

Indeed the redemption of every physical Israelite does not "supercede" that of all men from all nations, it simply precedes it.

Revelation 22:2 "on either side of the river stood the tree of life, bear twelve fruits every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations."

Comment by Labrock on June 11, 2009 at 10:14pm

Very interested in this group and admire Kennys Comment! I guess mine should be like unto it:) And the title to this group realy speaks to me. I hope much comes forth here!

Comment by Michael on June 11, 2009 at 8:06pm

I believe that the House of Issac is a spiritual house although it is quite facinating to look at the genetics of people in relation to their migration and biblical prophecy but one should not get too wrapped up in trying to determine where they belong in all of it. Any person who meets the requirements of Romans 10:9-10 is grafted into the house of Israel regardless of genetics. I believe we should keep everythinig in its proper context, to include the "Lost Tribes", it is facinating if you study escatology but it never supercedes the fact that YHWH's desire is that all men come to a knowledge of Him and in so doing they become a member of the House of Israel.

Comment by Christian on April 26, 2009 at 5:19am

There are many differetn theories as to which Tribes relate to which nations.12tribes.gif

Comment by David Katcher on August 22, 2008 at 8:50pm

Someone list the Twelve Tribes of Israel and where they wound up

Comment by Kenny Cartwright on August 2, 2008 at 8:34pm

I am very interested in this subject. I have my own ideas- I would like to see them challenged and corrected if needed. Shalom to all, kenny cartwright