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A Ger who is circumcised and not immersed;
Rabbi Eliezer said: Behold this is a Ger
Thus we find of the fathers, they were circumcised and not immersed.
Immersed and not circumcised:
Rabbi Joshua said: Behold this is a Ger
Thus we find of the mothers, they were immersed and not circumcised.
And the Pharisaic sages say:
Immersed and not circumcised
Circumcised and not immersed
He is not a Ger until he is circumcised and immersed.
(b.Yev. 46a)

The International Nazarene Beit Din says:

There are three types of Gerim (Proselytes):
The Ger Toshav (Ex. 12:45; Lev. 25:45, 47) The Repentant Ger - These are any from the Goyim who takes upon himself the seven precepts of Noach.

The Ger HaShar (Deut. 14:21, 24:14) The Ger at the Gate – These go beyond the seven precepts of Noach as they begin learning more of the Torah and incorporating it into their lives.

The Ger Tzadik- These are they who "become Jews" (Esther 8:17)

The Ger Toshav is immersed but not circumcised.
The Ger HaShar is immersed but not circumcised.
The Ger Tzadik is immersed and circumcised, as we read in the Torah
"And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not
circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people." (Gen. 17:14)
and again "All the Assembly of Israel shall keep it ... no
uncircumcised person shall eat thereof." (Ex. 12:47-48)

What of the proselyte who was already circumcised?

Said R. Simeon b. Eleazar, The House of Shammai and the House of Hillel did not dispute concerning the one who was born circumcised, that it is necessary to draw a drop of blood of the covenant of circumcision from him, for it is a foreskin which is pressed in.

Concerning what did they dispute? Concerning a convert who converted already circumcised. For the House of Shammai say, It is necessary to draw from him a drop of blood of the covenant. And the House of Hillel say, It is not necessary to draw from him a drop of blood of the covenant.
(b.Shabbat 135a)

The International Nazarene Beit Din Says:

In conflicts between the House of Hillel and the House of Shammai,
Hillel generally taught the more lenient halachot while Shammai
generally taught the more stringent halachot. The House of Hillel was
based in Chesed (Mercy) and the House of Shammai was based in Gevurah (Severity) (see Zohar 3:245a). Yeshua's halachot were likewise based on the precept of Chesed (see Mt. 12:7; Mk. 12:33) and most often agreed with the House of Hillel against the House of Shammai. We have no hesitation therefore in adopting the rule of the House of Hillel in this case. When a person is already circumcised it is not necessary to draw a drop of blood of the covenant from them upon conversion.

When is the commandment of circumcision loosed?

The Pharisees said:
Why were they not circumcised in the wilderness? — If you wish I might say: Because of the fatigue of the journey; and if you prefer I might say: Because the North wind1 did not blow upon them. For it was taught: In all the forty years during which Israel was in the
wilderness the North wind did not blow upon them. What was the reason?
If you wish I might say: Because they were under divine displeasure.
And if you prefer I might say: In order that the clouds of glory might
not be scattered.

Rabbi Papa said: Hence, no circumcision may be performed on a cloudy day or on a day when the South wind blows; nor may one be bled on such a day. At the present time, however, since many people are in the habit of disregarding these precautions, The Lord preserves the simple.

The Pharisaic Rabbis taught: In all the forty years during which Israel was in the wilderness there was not a day on which the North wind did not
blow at the midnight hour; for it is said, And it came to pass at
midnight, that the Lord smote all the firstborn etc. How is the
deduction arrived at? — By this we were taught that an acceptable time is an essential.
(b.Yeb. 71b-72a)

Paul said:
If a man was called while circumcised, he should not return to
uncircumcision. And if he was called in un-circumcision, he should not be circumcised.
...because of the urgency of the time...
...[because] the time is now shortened...
...[and because] the fashion of this world passes away.
(1Cor. 18-19, 26, 29, 31)

And likewise Paul said:
But I speak to those who do not have wives and to widows,
that it is profitable for them to remain like me…
(1Cor. 7:8)

Likewise this was
...because of the urgency of the time...
...[because] the time is now shortened...
...[and because] the fashion of this world passes away.
(1Cor. 7:26, 29, 31)

As we read also in the Book of Jasher:
"And Noah... refrained from taking a wife in those days,
to beget children, for he said, Surely now Elohim will destroy the earth, wherefore then shall I beget children."
(Jasher 5:12)

The International Nazarene Beit Din says:
"An acceptable time for circumcision is essential."

The Pharisaic Rabbis taught:


If at the present time a man desires to become a proselyte, he is to be addressed as follows: `What reason have you for desiring to become a proselyte; do you not know that Israel at the present time are persecuted and oppressed, despised, harassed and overcome by afflictions'? If he replies, `I know and yet am unworthy', he is accepted forthwith, and is given instruction in some of the minor and some of the major commandments. He is informed of the sin [of the neglect of the commandments of] Gleanings, the Forgotten Sheaf, the Corner and the Poor Man's Tithe. He is also told of the punishment for the transgression of the commandments. Furthermore, he is addressed thus: `Be it known to you that before you came to this condition, if you had eaten suet you would not have been punishable with kareth, if you had profaned the Sabbath you would not have been punishable with stoning; but now were you to eat suet you would be punished with kareth; were you to profane the Sabbath you would be punished with stoning'. And as he is informed of the punishment for the transgression of the commandments, so is he informed of the reward granted for their fulfillment. He is told, `Be it known to you that the world to come was made only for the righteous, and that Israel at the present time are unable to bear either too much prosperity. or too much suffering'. He is not, however, to be persuaded or dissuaded too much. If he accepted, he is circumcised forthwith. Should any shreds which render the circumcision invalid remain, he is to be circumcised a second time. As soon as he is healed arrangements are made for his immediate immersion, when two learned men must stand by his side and acquaint him with some of the minor commandments and with some of the major ones. When he comes up after his ablution he is deemed to be an Israelite in all respects.

In the case of a woman proselyte, women make her sit in the water up to her neck, while two learned men stand outside and give her instruction in some of the minor commandments and some of the major ones.
(b.Yev. 47a-47b)

The International Nazarene Beit Din says:

If at the present time a man desires to become a Ger Tzadik, he is to be addressed as follows: `What reason have you for desiring to become a proselyte; do you not know that Israel at the present time are persecuted and oppressed, despised, harassed and overcome by afflictions'? If he replies, `I know and yet am unworthy', he is accepted forthwith, and is given instruction in all of the minor and all of the major commandments. He is informed of the sin [of the neglect of the commandments of] Gleanings, the Forgotten Sheaf, the Corner and the first, second and third tithes. He is also told of the punishment for the transgression of the commandments. Furthermore, he is addressed thus: `Be it known to you that before you came to this condition, if you had eaten unkosher food you would not have become unclean, if you had profaned the Sabbath you would not have been punishable; but now were you to eat unkosher food you would become unclean; were you to profane the Sabbath you would face the penalty'. And as he is informed of the punishment for the transgression of the commandments, so is he informed of the reward granted for their fulfillment. He is told, `Be it known to you that the world to come was made only for the righteous, and that Israel at the present time are unable to bear either too much prosperity. or too much suffering'. He is not, however, to be persuaded or dissuaded too much.  If he accepted, he is circumcised after having learned the commandments of the Torah. Should any shreds which render the circumcision invalid remain, he is to be circumcised a second time. As soon as he is healed arrangements are made for his immediate immersion, when two learned men must stand by his side. Here he shall pledge "Where you go, I will go, where you lodge, I will lodge, your people will be my people and your Elohim my Elohim (Ruth 1:16), all the words which YHWH has said will I do (Ex. 24:3) and I confess with my mouth that Yeshua is the Messiah whom Elohim raised from the dead (Rom. 10:9). When he comes up after his immersion he is deemed to be an Israelite in all respects. In the case of a woman proselyte, women make her sit in the water up to her neck, while two learned men stand outside.

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