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"What Do You Mean... 'Church'?"

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Comment by will brinson: ferguson on November 1, 2011 at 10:35am

the link takes me to a page where it tells me that "you do not have access to the page you requested".


I am signed in but it will not let me have access.  

Comment by James Trimm on November 2, 2011 at 11:35pm
Comment by will brinson: ferguson on November 6, 2011 at 3:41pm
Solomon, would you be so kind as to address the one whom you are speaqking, so we might know just whom should reply unto your statements. I would hate to be so vain as to answer assuming you were speaking to me, muchless ignore you if you perchance actually was referring to me. I am sure other most more than likely feel the same way.
Comment by will brinson: ferguson on November 6, 2011 at 3:57pm
It has been quite a while since my last psoting that I did not want to have to go back and reread over everything, so I thank you for addressing me. I will still have to now take the time to read over what is up, being it has been quite a while sinse we held this conversation. I will get back with you on this ASAP. 
Comment by will brinson: ferguson on November 6, 2011 at 5:16pm


as to your first inquiry about which came first the pagan deity vill or the name vill, as you said yes it most more than likely had to be a word before the pagan deity got tagged with it. As for me giving it up I have been doing more studies on name within the "Writings of the Nazrenes" and have found that Timotheos means beloved of Theos or something like that referring to a pagan deity along with other names that as well make referencer unto pagan deities names, and also in the Tanak there are names such as Gawd and Ashar which not only where names of pagan deities but the children that recieved these names were also being name such to honor the pagan deities. These last two names will even be upon gates to the New Yerushaliyeem and none of these people named after pagan deities where told by our Heavenly Father, YHWH or The Anointed One Yahu-Shuah, or any desiples thereof to change their names, muchless did any of them seek to change their names. So I will not, personally, worry about whether I was named after a pagan deity or not.  But at the same time my mother and father had the right/athority to name me but we do not have that same privilage to name or renane our Heavenly Father. We must stick with what He refered to Himself as inorder not to raise our selves above Him to take such a place as to rewrite the Scriptures/ His will!


By the way any pagan deity that has been given the titles or even Sacred Name of our Heavenly father came long after HaShem and titles of Ail-Shaddai YHWH Ailoheem Adonai. So it does not matter if these name were unrighteously loined out to false ail they still are what our Heavenly father told us we are to refer to him by and or as. But as for GD/G-D/ GawD/ GahD/ and or God He our Heavenly Father never did refure to Himself by not to mention the fact that He explicitly told us not to use that name to refer to Him by, awmane. Yes He use a for of Ba'al to refer to himself twice and even the adjective sawtawn when speaking of The Messenger of YHWH, but He never used GD one time. So if you wish to refer to YHWH as Ba'all I see no problem just as to claim The Messenger of YHWH is a sawtawn. I will even go so far as to say that being Lucifer is a latin term that is the equilant of Halla which translates out to The Morning Star I have no problem referring to The Anointed One Yahu-Shuah as My Lucifer -Hallelu Yahu! But I do not think He would be pleased if I, or anyone for that matter, decided to call Him Beh-ail-zebub, Livyahthawn, or Azawzale. YHWH never did use these terms or name to refer to Himself just as He never us GD, but He did use the term/name GD to speak of pagan deities in which adultery was taking place of His Own bride. I do not know about you but I dod not want to be commiting Idolatry, whereby whoreship, which would amount to adulty myself. And back to church it is not a correct term to use when speaking of YHWH' choosen people. It is just not a correct translation plain and simple.


Now when I said that the term Lucifer could and can be used to refer to the Anointed One I am not in any shape form or fashion saying/claiming that the text of Yesha-Yahu [Isaiah] 14:12 is by any means referring to The only beggotten Son of The Living Ail-Shaddai YHWH Ailoheem  Adonai -a.k.a. Yahu-Shuah The Anointed One. So please spare me the ranting and ravings of how I Blasphemed Yahu-Shuah good Character. As Lucifer means Shining One and the True Shining One Is but Yahu-Shuah indeed!


As far as your second comment laying claim that I contradicted myself I beleive if you would take more time to mull over my statement you should find that I but merely reaffirmed the point I was making (as the same thing said in a different way some times helps to bring understanding, yet unto some sadly but confussion). As I said take more time to ponder what is being said and I believe it will come into focuss for you. Or is it just me that does not have

Comment by will brinson: ferguson on November 6, 2011 at 5:38pm

Or is it just me that does not understand what it is that I am saying. I'll let you be the judge. But before you do keep in mind 2 Timotheos 2:15 Study dilegently thineownself in order to assist the Ailohim, a teacher that needs not be ashamed, rightly preaching the Word; the Truth.


And remember wisdom never lies inked to the pages coddled by a book

but rather supply about the inside of open minds that render the confounds thereof.


YHWH bless you and keep you. YHWH make his face shine upon you and show favor unto you.

YHWH lift up His face upon you and give you shalom [nothing missing nothing wanting. Hallelu Yahu, awmane].


Your brother in Yahu-Shuah The Anointed One.

will brinson: ferguson

Comment by will brinson: ferguson on November 6, 2011 at 5:47pm

I never said that English predated atinomianism. Where did you get that from? agin I encourage you to go back and take more time to read over what it was that I said.


I would like to take this moment being we are in agreement on one thing to say "may the true Lucifer come soon to gather us up unto His Kingdom, awmane".

Comment by will brinson: ferguson on November 7, 2011 at 10:52am
Don't feel bad, I myself misread something not long ago and made a statement about it and the other person pointed out to me that I should show them where they said such. When I went back to retrieve it I saw my mistake. These things are common so it seems.
Comment by Craig Peter Farrow on November 7, 2011 at 9:01pm
Acts 11:26 tells us it was at Antioch that the term "Christian" originated.  Alongside this term were "Nazerenes",  "Galileans" and followers of "The Way"  I find it very strange that so many seem to have a problem with the term since as far as I can determine, the Apostles themselves did not!
Comment by James Trimm on November 7, 2011 at 11:50pm
But these sectarians... did not call themselves Christians--but "Nazarenes," ... However they are simply complete Jews. They use not only the New Testament but the Old Testament as well, as the Jews do... They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion-- except for their belief in Messiah, if you please! For they acknowledge both the resurrection of the dead and the divine creation of all things, and declare that G-d is one, and that his son is Yeshua the Messiah. They are trained to a nicety in Hebrew. For among them the entire Law, the Prophets, and the... Writings... are read in Hebrew, as they surely are by the Jews. They are different from the Jews, and different from Christians, only in the following. They disagree with Jews because they have come to faith in Messiah; but since they are still fettered by the Law--circumcision, the Sabbath, and the rest-- they are not in accord with Christians.... they are nothing but Jews.... They have the Goodnews according to Matthew in its entirety in Hebrew. For it is clear that they still preserve this, in the Hebrew alphabet, as it was originally written." (Epiphanius; Panarion 29)


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