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HELP… Someone Scrambled my Scriptures!


HELP… Someone Scrambled my Scriptures!

Or

Rome's Replacement Rearrangement

The HRV Scriptures now available in hardbound and in e-text:
http://nazarenespace.com/page/books-dvds


The books of the Bible as you probably know them, have been rearranged from their original, proper, manuscript order.

The original order of the books of the Tanak ("Old Testament") places the books in three sections: The Torah; the Navi'im (prophets) and the Ketuvim (writings) in an order quite different from that used by most Bibles today. Yeshua refers to these three sections in Luke 24:44-45 but this statement loses its meaning to those not aware of the three sections of the Tanak. Moreover in Mt. 23:35 and Luke 11:51 Yeshua refers to the murders of Abel and Zechariah by which he implies the beginning and ending of the Tanak (Abel was killed at the beginning of the Tanak (Gen. 4) while Zechariah was killed at the end of the Tanak (2Chr. 24:20-21) using the original order of the books. There are many other reasons the manuscript order of the books is important. The three sections of the Tanak correspond with the three sections of the Temple, and their subsections correspond to the items in each section of the Temple.

Just as the manuscript order of the books of the Tanak (OT), does not agree with the ordering of the same books in the Christian "Old Testament" as printed today, so also does the original manuscript order of the NT differ.

The Hebraic Roots Version restores the books of the “New Testament” to their original manuscript order.

Most copies of the New Testament today follow the order:

Gospels
Acts
Pauline Epistles
“Catholic”[1] Epistles
Revelation

However the original manuscript order of the books was:

Gospels
Acts
“Catholic” Epistles
Pauline Epistles
Revelation

This original manuscript order is followed by the Aramaic Peshitta canon[2] and thus is that which is followed by such well known Peshitta manuscripts as Codex Khaboris and the Yonan Codex (these two are mentioned by name, not because of their age but because they are good examples of complete Peshitta New Testament manuscripts).

This original manuscript order is also followed by the oldest and best ancient Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, such as Codex Vaticanus; Codex Alexandrinus and Codex Ephraem.

This original manuscript order was also followed by Westcott & Hort in their 1881 publication of the Greek New Testament (which they mistakenly believed was the “original”) writing:

We have followed recent editors in abandoning the Hieronymic[3]
order [Jerome’s order] familiar in modern Europe through the
influence of the Latin Vulgate, in favour of the order most highly
recommended by various Greek authority of the fourth century…
It differs from the Hieronymic order… the Acts are immediately
followed by the Catholic Epistles.
(Introduction to the New Testament in the Original Greek, p. 320)

In his Introduction to the Textual Criticism of the New Testament Scrivener writes:

Whether copies contain the whole or a part of the sacred volume,
the general order of the books is the following: Gospels, Acts,
Catholic Epistles, Pauline Epistles, Apocalypse.
(Introduction to the Textual Criticism of the New Testament Vol. 1 p. 72)

Bullinger writes:

Our English Bibles follow the order as given in the Latin Vulgate.
This order, therefore, depends on the arbitrary judgment of one
man, Jerome (A.D. 382-429). All theories based on this order rest
on human authority, and thus are without any true foundation.
(Companion Bible, Appendix 95, p. 139)

M’Clintock and Strong in their twelve volume Cyclopedia write:

The Western Church… as represented by Jerome…
gave priority of position to the Pauline epistles. The tendency
of the Western Church to recognize Rome as the center
of authority may perhaps, in part, account for the departure
from the custom of the East. The order of the Alexandrian,
Vatican and Ephraem manuscripts gives precedence to the
Catholic Epistles, and this is also recognized by the Council
of Laodicea, Cyril of Jerusalem and Athanasius,…
(CBTEL, vol. 1, p. 800)

The late Dr. Ernest Martin writes:

There can be no doubt whatever that the actual manuscript
arrangement of the New Testament books should be restored
in all modern versions. …the seven Catholic (“Jewish”)
Epistles should be placed in their original position before those of Paul…
(Restoring the Original Bible; by Ernest L. Martin p. 16-17)

This original manuscript order is also testified to by many of the ancient “Church Fathers”. Athanasius (296-373 CE) Bishop of Alexandria gives the order of books as “the four Gospels; the Acts of the Apostles; the seven Catholic Epistles; the fourteen epistles of St. Paul; and the Revelation of John”[4] Leonitus of Byzantium also gives this order[5]. The fourth century “Church Father” Philastrius also argued that the Catholic Epistles must precede the Pauline epistles because Gal. 1:17 has Paul referring to the Emissaries of the Jewish Epistles as coming before him[6]. Cyril Bishop of Jerusalem also maintained the original manuscript order[7] as did the Council of Laodicea[8].

This is another important feature which makes the HRV unique when compared to other Messianic editions. Just as the manuscript order of the books of the Tanak (OT), (followed by Judaism) does not agree with the ordering of the same books in the Christian "Old Testament" as printed today, so also does the manuscript order of the NT differ. The ancient manuscript order of the books of the "New Testament" has first the "Gospels" then "Acts" followed by the Jewish Epistles (Ya’akov (James); 1 & 2 Kefa (Peter); 1, 2 & 3 Yochanan (John) and Y'hudah (Jude)) followed by the Pauline epistles which are followed by Revelation. This order was rearranged by Rome in the Latin Vulgate in which the Pauline epistles were given first place and the Jewish epistles given second place. The original manuscript order had an important significance. It agreed with the precept that the message was to the Jews first and then to the Goyim (Gentiles). It also agrees with the concept that Ya'akov, Kefa and Yochanan were emissaries that come BEFORE Paul (Gal. 1:17) and with the concept that Kefa, Ya'akov and Yochanan served as three pillars which lend authority upon which Paul's message was built (Gal. 2:9) and not vice-versa. The reader of the NT was intended to read the "Jewish" epistles FIRST and then to read the Pauline epistles already having understood the Jewish epistles. The NT reader was intended to read Ya'akov's (James') admonition concerning faith and works (Ya'akov 2) as well as Kefa's warnings about Paul being difficult to understand and often twisted (2Kefa 3:15-16) etc. before ever attempting to understand the writings of Paul. The HRV follows the ancient manuscript order (which agrees also with the order of the ancient Aramaic manuscripts) in placing the "Jewish epistles" immediately after Acts and placing the Pauline Epistles AFTER them.

The HRV Scriptures now available in hardbound and in e-text:
http://nazarenespace.com/page/books-dvds

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Comment by James Bauers on January 24, 2012 at 9:38pm

Shalom, I have both the e-edition and the hard bound copy and am extremely pleased with them!  I'm going to buy some copies for friends soon!  I HIGHLY recommend these to all serious followers of YHWH!

Comment by will brinson: ferguson on January 25, 2012 at 6:13am

I have the e-book version in PDF and wish that it had book marks to navigate the texts. It is a pain in the Scriptures to have to try and hunt down books that are in an order that one is not familiar with scrambled among a1000 page PDF. Owe Vey! A professional "Book Marks" should have been included, but still yet could be if some one cared enough to give their customer a quality product.

Other than being disappointed in the lack of a "Book Marks" navigation in the e-Book I am well pleased with the footnotes included in the text, but am still wondering why the maps and charts that are in the printed version are missing from the e-Book version. Again still yet another bummer.

If I was going to recommend a copy of the HRV,  it would have to be the Hard Copy (which I do not have) because you get the maps, charts, and also as it is a lot easier to locate a particular Book of Scripture by flipping through in printed form over trying to locate one in a large 1000 page PDF (especially the smaller Books).

To whom it may concern, even if we that have already bought the HRV in e-Book form, in the past, can not get a corrected version of the HRV e-Book with a Book Marks in it, any one that buys it in the future I know for a fact would be tickled with the implementation of one in the e-Book. And of course we that spent good money thinking we were going to receive a professional e-Book would be tickled if we were to be afforded a revised e-Book free of charge (no joke).

Comment by Mikha El on January 25, 2012 at 10:38am

Will,

I assume you are aware there is "book marks" of a sort in the "revised edition"? Perhaps you have them but maybe just wasn't sure how to find them? If you click on the "bookmark" icon in the upper left hand corner it expands to show every book and chapter of the HRV. Is this the "book marks" your looking for?

Comment by will brinson: ferguson on January 25, 2012 at 12:12pm

mikha,

the e-Book (PDF) that i have has a paper clip and a page thumnail, but no blue ribbon book mark thing. The usual blue ribbon as a icon for the book marks is missing in the copy I obtain from following the link posted at this website. I also bought the Book of Khawnoke (Channok) and Yasher and neither of them have the book marks blue ribbon icon to help navigate them. If the HRV Bible had them I would not be complain. If there is some other way to get at the Book Marks other that the supposed to be Blue Ribbon as is in most professionally done PDF I wish some one would explain in detail just how to operate such. If not and there is a version that has the Book mark I wish that some how I could get the defective version I paid for replaced with the full functioning one. When did you buy yours. I bought mine back a year or two ago from lulu. I have brought this problem up with James at least twice since then. I have not be told that it had been corrected until now. So what I am wondering is am I stuck with the old defect or can the patrons of the past get the corrected version without double paying? 

Comment by Mikha El on January 25, 2012 at 5:44pm

Will,

I'm not familiar with a "blue ribbon" type of bookmark, so apparently mine doesn't have that feature also, not that I need it. I'll email a project contact and see what, if anything, is possible. Stand by please...

Comment by will brinson: ferguson on January 26, 2012 at 10:06am

I click on edit and a drop-down wind appears. I mouse over Show/Hide and a side window pops out. On it is Navigation Panels. I mouse over it and another side window appears. On this last window there is the following: Articles, Attachments, Layers, Module Tree, and Thumb Nails. There is no Book Marks blue ribbon, it is missing.

Comment by Patrick Dovid on January 26, 2012 at 2:05pm

The Septuagent is the earliest complete Old Testament, and it does not have the modern arrangement of "T``NKH". 

Comment by will brinson: ferguson on January 29, 2012 at 6:52am

Woo, Troy, let me back up a second. When I said "edit" earlier I meant "VEIW". This said I had reach the NAVIGATION PANELS on a drop down (as conveyed above) and there were only the following: Articles, Attachments, Layers, Module Tree, and Thumb Nails.  Again I say, and I quote, "There is no Book Marks".

So, in reality, I did just as you instructed. I just apparently did not convey back to you correctly what I had done. I at that point was not complaining, just trying my best to convey what I had found out upon applying your instructions.. All this being said, I would still like to have an eBook version of the HRV of Scriptures that has the Book Marks in it as I paid for one (which gives me a right to complain as I had initially done). Troy I appreciate your help and I thank you for trying to resolve the issue which I am having with the HRV eBook, but please hold back the attitude as I am not a stray dog at your door begging to get kick around.  :) 

HWHY bless thee and keep thee;
HWHY cause His face to shine on thee, and be gracious to thee;
HWHY lift up His face to thee, and give thee shalom.
Your brother in YawHu-Shuah The Anointed One.

Now back to the bussiness at hand, before I was so generously offered assistance, while with the best of intentions, that did not work out.

Sir. James Trimm,  is there anyway you can help me obtain an eBook(PDF) of the HRV Scriptures that has the BOOK MARKS in it? So far I have bought your eBooks of the HRV, Hannoch, and The Book of Yasher all by following the links you provide here at Nazarene Space, and none have BOOK MARKS in them. I also plain on buying your HRV of the Apocrypha once it is released.

So as a patron  I ask, is there any hope of me obtaining an eBook of the HRV Scriptures that is functional without me having to buy it over again. I would appreciate a response. 

Comment by will brinson: ferguson on January 30, 2012 at 4:34am

Troy,

when I open it the slide is at the very top of the scroll bar and the page reads the following:

THE
HEBRAIC-ROOTS VERSION
SCRIPTURES
Revised Edition
 2009 James Scott Trimm. All rights reserved
COPYING THIS EBOOK IS A VIOLATION OF US AND
INTERNATIONAL LAW
AND IS ALSO A VIOLATION OF TORAH
.

Comment by will brinson: ferguson on February 1, 2012 at 1:42am

OK, thanks for all the help.

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