Nazarene Space

Just a remindere from the rules page
1a. Nazarene Space, while open to non-nazarenes, is focused upon the
historic Nazarene faith. This is not a platform for preaching or presenting
anti/non/pseudo Nazarene ideas. Occasionally, if a non-Nazarene (like
an Ebionite, “Nazarine”, ) pops up on the Network, I'll 'lift the rules' to allow
discussion and interaction, but don't look for it as a regular occurrence.
We reserve the right to limit the amount of non-Nazarenes
presenting their ideas in dialogue, if I allow it to go on at all. If your purpose
is only to attempt to draw Nazarenes away from Historic and Scriptural
Nazarene Judaism, then join another Network. If you like to argue and
really aren't concerned with learning, join another Network. There are two
types of unbelievers- those searching for truth and those searching for
an excuse not to believe. Examine your heart and decide which one you
There are some things within Nazarene Judaism that are "in-house"
debates (e.g.-eschatology, spiritual gifts) but these issues are not
points of fellowship. Issues such as the Deity of Messiah, virgin birth,
Messiahship of Yeshua, Torah Observance, acceptance of the Tanak
and Ketuvim Netzarim are part of the historic Nazarene faith. They are

6. Do not use Nazarene Space to promote doctrines which contradict the WNAE statement of faith (seen at

That being said, let me remind everyone, if you are here to oppose Torah Observance for any group of people or to promote One Faith Two Expression theology (that is to recognize Gentile Christianity as an alternate, non-Jewish expression of the one true faith) then do not assume that you will be gioven the unlimitted oportunity to promote those ideas here. These are points of fellowship. Those who teach these things teach an alterante faith to historical Nazarene Judaism.

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Comment by James Trimm on July 18, 2009 at 12:24am
I will add that I do not mind demonstrating these false ideas to be false (as I have done repoeatedly) but thos who refuse to accept the truth and continue to try to use Nazarene Space as a platform to spread false teaching outsdie of historical Nazarene Judaism may find themselves removed form the community in the interest of the edification of the body.
Comment by James Trimm on July 18, 2009 at 12:25am
WNAE Statement of FaithI. YHWH

We believe that YHWH is Echad (one). We believe that YHWH reveals Himself in the K'numeh or Gaunin of Avi/Abba (Father/Daddy), the Memra (Word), and the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit).


We believe that the Bible, which includes both the Tanakh [Old Testament] and the Ketuvim Netzarim (New Testament) is the divinely inspired, infallible Word of Elohim in its original texts and manuscripts.


We believe that Yeshua HaMashiach has come and with great joy we anticipate his return, and even though he may delay, nevertheless we endeavor to think about his return every day. We believe that the Messiah is the Word made flesh. We believe he was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life in accordance with the Torah, performed miracles, was crucified for the atonement of his people in accordance with the Scriptures, was bodily resurrected on the third day. ascended to heaven and currently sits at the right hand of YHWH. He will return at the end of this age to usher in the Kingdom of Elohim on earth and will rule the world from Jerusalem with his people Israel for one thousand years. We also believe that the Messiah Yeshua is the Torah incarnate. Just as the Torah is the way, the truth and the light, the Messiah is also the way, the truth and the light.


We believe that through the death of Messiah, because of his blood covenant with us, we receive salvation by way of inheritance. This salvation comes by faith through grace alone and is not earned by Torah observance.


The Torah of Truth the Almighty gave to His people, Israel, through Moshe. He will not exchange it nor discard it for another until heaven and earth pass away. We believe that Torah observance is man's moral obligation and expression of love to YHWH. The Torah is freedom and not bondage. The Torah is the way, the truth and the light and is for all of our generations forever.


We believe that there is one faith which was once and for all delivered to the set-apart-ones. We believe that Messiah did not come to create a new religion but to be the Messiah of Judaism, the one faith that was once delivered to the set-apart-ones. We believe that Nazarene Judaism is the only expression of the one true faith. We do not accept any other religion as a non-Jewish cultural expression of the one true faith.
Comment by James Trimm on July 18, 2009 at 2:49pm
No Derek I was not directing this to you.
Comment by James Trimm on July 19, 2009 at 3:19pm
Sincere truth seekers are always welcome. The warning was directed against those that would seek to hijack Nazarene Space to promote a platform at odds with historical Nazarene Judaism.
Comment by Bishop Greg Stevenson on August 18, 2009 at 10:43pm
Shalom Dr. Trimm

Grace and peace be unto you through our Lord Yeshua. I pray this short note finds you well. Have been working all day on the prophet Habakkuk and his problem with the wicked prospering while the servant's of the Most High were suffering. By chapter 3 he made up his mind that everybody has a payday and he was going to rejoice in his God not matter what condition the world was in. I think you may have the jerusalem site and could check the commentary. I am always open to constructive criticism. I think you have an awesome website and ministry. I pray Yeshua's blessings upon you.
Comment by Patrick Shannon on August 19, 2009 at 12:26am
I am glad to see the Statement of Faith does not necessarily require Talmudic observance or adherence to (orthodox?) rabbinic authority. I am still grappling with this and have appreciated the discussions here in formulating convictions.
Comment by Jason Jordan on August 20, 2009 at 9:09am
The blanket reservation that members of this restored movement have for the Rabbinic Movement and its main texts is profoundly discouraging. Recently I glanced through a conference speaker list for Messianic Israel Alliance and saw no “Rabbi” mentioned anywhere in the entire program! I wonder if people are reading their Scriptures correctly when nearly all the Brit Chadashah’s main heroes are rabbis.

“You call me ‘Rabbi’ and ‘Lord,’ and you are right, because I am.” – John 13:13 Yahshua’s words (Complete Jewish Bible – Translation by David H. Stern

Messiah Yahshua was a rabbi and his brother Ya’akov later became head of the Sanhedrin, the central pillar of rabbinic authority.

The Rabbinic Movement was and is a flow-on movement that originated with the appointment of the 72 elders by the prophet Moshe Rabbanu (Moses our beloved Master teacher).

Yahshua had no problem with the Rabbinic movement as an institution in general or any inspired writings that wrestled with achieving deeper understanding of "Yah breathed" Torah. The Apostle Sha'ul was also a Rabbi both before and after his conversion. The Talmud and other rabbinic writings are merely enlightening texts that concern themselves with the small paths of Torah, while the Torah itself is the main Highway.

Any subject in Scripture can have every reference extracted and studied, but only if one chooses to read what the rabbis thought on a given subject can significant perspectives be achieved. Is it therefore necessary to study Talmud? "No," but in all honesty a diligent student would cover it on a given topic as well before forming any concrete conclusions on a particular Scriptural subject.

Additionally studying the Talmud and Mishnah will improve a student’s theological scholarship and arm him with a unique depth of understanding on just about every Scriptural subject.
Comment by Shawn on August 20, 2009 at 11:01am
I agree Jason it appears that there is a strong resistance against the rabbis amongst messianic/two housers/ephraimiters etc. And yes it is disappointing. However...

As we watch the resurrection of Ephraim we can see a slow but steady progress towards the Torah and eventually to Judahs authority as well. If we just take a snap shot of where we are at right now it can be discourageing but if we look at the big picture Ephraim has come a long way over the last 10-20 years, and I'm sure we will continue to head in that (rabbinic) direction.

One obsticle to overcome is the spirit of Rome that we are all under. Rome has so deeply implanted in our concieousness that the NT is against rabbi's, oral Torah, kabbalah, and so on that we have a hard time cutting down to the truth. Atleast that is my current opinion.
Comment by Jason Jordan on August 24, 2009 at 8:52am
Thanks for those encouraging words Shawn. You're absolutely right and you've cheered me up. Thanks mate!


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