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The Deity of Messiah Part 1: The Deity of Messiah is Scriptural

The Deity of Messiah
And
The Three Pillars of the Godhead

By James Scott Trimm

Part 1
The Deity of Messiah is Scriptural



Introduction

There are several different positions that have to be dealt with in presenting the Deity of Messiah:

Judaic Anti-Deity Position - These reject the deity of Messiah because they insist it is contrary to Judaism. These are not persuaded by New Testament “proof texts”. They will dismiss such proof texts as invalid and even corruptions because they are supposedly not Jewish in theology. They will reject Tanak “proof texts” on the basis that Judaism supposedly does not understand the text that way.

Pure-Biblical Anti-Deity Position - These reject the deity of Messiah because they insist that it is contrary to Scripture. They are not persuaded by the demonstration that the doctrine is authentically Jewish. Many of these may actually look down upon Jewish tradition and especially Kabbalah.

Christian “Oneness” Theologians

Christian Orthodox Trinitarian Theologians


One finds oneself engaging on a debate on multiple fronts. Proving that the “New Testament” teaches the deity of Messiah to the “Judaic Anti-Deity” followers will generally only succeed in proving to their minds that the New Testament is in error. They must be shown that the teaching is authentically Jewish. However the “Pure-Biblical Anti-Deity” followers will misinterpret or misrepresent such arguments as “proof” that the doctrine is based only on extra-biblical sources and cannot be shown from the Scriptures themselves. And oftentimes single individuals will waffle between those two positions, not realizing their own inconsistency. All the while Orthodox Christian Trinitarians, Oneness Christians and others are raising their own issues along the way, which only serves to sidetrack the primary issue.

Therefore in order to deal with all of the issues in an organized manner this paper will be presented in five parts:

Part 1: The Deity of Messiah from the Scriptures

Part 2: The Deity of Messiah is Jewish

Part 3: Concerning Orthodox Trinitarian and Christian Oneness Theologies

Part 4: First Century Roots of the Kabbalistic Godhead Model

Part 5: Proof of the Ancient Nazarene Position


Part 1
The Deity of Messiah is Scriptural


Messiah as YHWH

The deity of Messiah is very easy to show from the Scriptures. The simplest way to show the deity of Messiah in the Scriptures is to point to instances where the “New Testament” quotes passages from the Tanak (“Old Testament”) and applies them to the Messiah.

For example in John 19:37, Zech. 12:10 is quoted:

But when they came to Yeshua, they saw that he was dead already
and did not break his legs.
But one of the soldiers stuck him in his side with a spear
and immediately blood and water came forth,…
For these things happened that the scripture might be fulfilled
which said, A bone of him will not be broken.(Ps. 34:21(20))
And again another scripture that said, They will look at him
whom they pierced. (Zech 12:10)

But now let us look at Zechariah 12:10 in context:

The burden of the word of YHWH concerning Israel.
The saying of YHWH, who stretched forth the heavens,
And laid the foundation of the earth,
And formed the spirit of man within him…
I will pour out upon the house of David,
And upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
The spirit of grace and supplication;
And they shall look at Me whom they pierced;
And they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only son….
(Zech. 12:1, 10)

The one being pierced in Jn. 19:37 is clearly Yeshua but the one being pierced in Zech. 12:10 is clearly YHWH.

Lets now look at the quotation of Is. 8:14 in Rom. 9:32:

Because it was not from faith but from “Works of the Law”,
for they stumbled at the stumbling stone.
(Rom. 9:32)

Now Paul is clearly referring here it Messiah, but lets now look at Is. 8:14 in context:

YHWH of hosts, Him shall you sanctify; and let Him be your
fear, and let Him be your dread. And He shall be for a sanctuary;
but for a stumbling stone and for a rock of offence
to both the houses of Israel…
(Is. 8:13-14)

Here it is clearly YHWH who is the “stumbling stone”.

OK now lets look at Phil. 2:10-11:

That at the name of Yeshua every knee will bow
that is in heaven or on earth and that is under the earth,
and every tongue will confess that Yeshua the Messiah is YHWH,
to the glory of Eloah the Father.

Here Paul clearly refer to Is. 45:23:

Thus says YHWH…
That unto Me every knee shall bow,
and every tongue shall swear.
(Is. 45:1, 23)

Clearly Paul applies a Tanak passage which clearly speaks of YHWH to the Messiah.

Now lets look at Rom. 10:9, 13:

And if you confess with your mouth our Adon Yeshua,
And you believe in your heart that Eloah raised him from the dead,
you will be saved. …
For all who will call on the name of YHWH will be saved.
(Rom. 10:9, 13)

Here Paul clearly quotes Joel 3:5 (2:32) but applies the passage to Yeshua despite the fact that Joel is clearly here speaking of YHWH.

There are several other examples: James 5:7 clearly speaks of the coming of Messiah as likened to the “former and latter rain” while in Hosea 6:3 this is clearly the coming of YHWH. Likewise Jude 1:14 & 1 Thes. 3:13 refer to the coming of Messiah yet quote 1Enoch 1:9 & Zech. 14:5 which clearly refer to the coming of YHWH. Finally in Mt. 22:41-46 Yeshua himself identifies himself with the “YHWH” at the right hand of “YHWH” in Ps. 110:1-2, 5.


The Three Pillars

Now in Romans 1:19-20 we are told that

what may be known of Elohim is manifest in them [mankind]
his invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood
by the things that are made, even his eternal power
and Godhead [or divine nature]..."

Then in Rom. 1:26-28 we are told that those who fail to perceive these things may fall into the errors of Homosexuality and Lesbianism. So when in creation were G-d's invisible attributes manifested in man and made clearly seen. The answer is in the Torah, in Gen. 1:26, 27 where we read:

Then Elohim said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness...
So Elohim created man in His own image;
in the image of Elohim He created him;
male and female He created them.

Now following the parallelism of the passage, "Our image"; "Our likeness" and "male and female" appear to be parallel terms.

Now there are passages in the Tanak in which YHWH is referred to in a male, fatherly aspect:

…If then I be a Father, Where is My honor?…
Says YHWH of Hosts…
(Mal. 1:6)

…You, O YHWH, are our Father,…
(Is. 63:16)

But now O YHWH, You are our Father…
(Is. 64:7)

But there are also passages in the Tanak in which YHWH is referred to in a female, motherly aspect:

As one whom his Mother comforts,
so will I comfort you…
(Is. 66:13)

Now YHWH as a “Father” and YHWH as a “Mother” are clearly two DIFFERENT aspects of YHWH, they are not the same thing.

Moreover YHWH as an allegorical “Mother” is also YHWH as a “comforter” which is the same as the Holy Spirit:

…the comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom my Father will send in my name…
(Jn. 14:27 see also Jn. 14:16-17; 15:26 & 16:7)

Now just as YHWH is expressed as an allegorical “Father” and an allegorical “Mother”, the combination of these two aspects produce an allegorical “son”:

Who has ascended up into heaven, and descended?
Who has gathered the wind in his fists?
Who has bound the waters in his garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is His name? And what is His Son’s name, if you know?
(Prov. 30:4)

The kings of the earth stand up,
and the rulers take counsel together,
against YHWH, and against His Messiah…
YHWH said to me: “You are My Son,”
This day have I begotten you…
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry…
(Ps. 2:2, 7, 12)

So now we have a Godhead which is the “image of Elohim” and is “male and female” expressing YHWH to us as a Father, a Mother and a Son.

Since the Son is the combination of the Father and Mother aspects of YHWH he is the fullness of the everlasting Godhead: “in him dwells the fullness of the Godhead” (Col. 2:9).

Thus the Messiah encompasses all the image of Elohim from which we were created:

…the Messiah, who is the likeness of Elohim.
(2Cor. 4:4)

[his Son] who is the image of the invisible Elohim…
(Col. 1:15)

[the Son] who is the radiance of his glory,
and the image of his being…
(Heb. 1:3)

And thus we can see all three aspects of the Godhead in passages like:

I, yes, I have spoken, indeed, I have called him,
I have brought him, and he will make his way succeed.
Come near to me and hear this: from the beginning
I have not spoken in [the] secret; from the time that she was,
there I am, and now ADONAI YHVH has sent me and his spirit.
(Is. 48:15-16 Original Bible Project preliminary edition)

Note the speaker is YHWH. Here we have:

1. YHWH the speaker.
2. ADONAI YHWH who sent Him.
3. "she" i.e. "his spirit"
("ruach" (spirit) is the only feminine word that "she" could refer to)

Another example of these three aspects is to be found in Hebrews 9:14:

How much more shall the blood of Messiah,
who through the eternal Spirit
offered himself without spot to Elohim,
purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living Elohim?

Here we again have three aspects:

1. The Messiah (who is YHWH)

2. The Spirit through which his blood is offered.
3. The Elohim to whom he offers himself.

These three aspects of the Godhead are called in the Aramaic “K’NUMEH” (plural) “K’NUMA” (singular) as we read in Yochanan (John) 5:26:

For the Father has life in his K’NUMA,
Thus he gave also the Son to have life in his K’NUMA.
(Jn. 5:26 from the Aramaic)

K’NUMA is an Aramaic word meaning “aspect, element, substance, essence”. The three aspects of the Godhead are three K’NUMEH but are only one YHWH.


ECHAD as a Unity

This brings us to the wording of the Sh’ma:

SH’MA YISRAEL: YHWH, ELOHEYNU, YHWH ECHAD
“Hear O Israel, YHWH, our Elohim, YHWH is one.”
(Deut. 6:4)

Let us examine other passages in the Torah to understand how this word ECHAD (“one”) is used in the Torah:

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined
to his wife, and they shall become one [ECHAD] flesh.
(Gen. 2:24)

And YHWH said, “Indeed the people are one [ECHAD] and they
all have one language…
(Gen. 11:6)

Thus it is clear that the word ECHAD in no way requires a singularity and can refer to a composite unity. Thus Deut. 6:4 may be taken as referring to the absolute unity of the three K’NUMEH of Father, Mother (Holy Spirit Comforter) and Son (Messiah).

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Comment by A. M. Blackwell on December 28, 2012 at 1:31am
Ha Shem cannot die
Yeshua died.
Yeshua did call himself Son of Man, and son of God, acording to their Hebrew connotations.
Never God the son.
Understanding the difference between "TON THEON" and Theos or theou become very clear as one learns to translate. We practice godliness and "all godliness resides in him (Yeshua) fully."

Yeshua is the authority representive on earth called the Shelliach. Yeshua does not decide, simply carries out the wishes of the Father as the highest ranking Man on earth. Likened to Joseph, the right hand of Pharoah.

While the proofs compare terms and parables in Jame's article...
Words only have meaning within their own context. One must always be sure to use the context to define the meaning of an illustration. Ask what was the purpose, to whom was it written... The bride Groom may be one person one place and another another place.

The cornerstone is Yeshua the Shelliach. the Cornerstone is HaShem the King. Because, Yeshua does the Father's will 'representing' HaShem on earth.
Comment by A. M. Blackwell on December 28, 2012 at 1:45am
Pharoah and Joseph ruled Egypt as one. However no where does scripture say that they were one in Nature nor ruler, nor person...
God and Yeshua rule over the 'kingdom' as one but no where in scripture say they are one God. Paul would have claimed the trinity if it existed... No deciple did.

In revelation 1: We see Yeshua is the faithful witness, and the7 spirits at the foot of the throne...
Nine persons... Only one of which is HaShem.

In Hebrew Elohim can be singular, dual and infinite, there is no way to even represent triune.
Comment by A. M. Blackwell on December 28, 2012 at 1:54am
Is Yeshua deity... Theou? godly. Yes
Is Yeshua deity to us? Theos. High ruler over is...Yes.
Is Yeshua Ton THEON? the God. No.
Is Yeshua a man like us? Yes. Otherwise he would not be human and would not qualify as the messiah.




1Cr 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Comment by James Trimm on December 28, 2012 at 8:50am

>Phil. 2:10-11: Never says:"
>that Yeshua the Messiah is YHWH,
>to the glory of Eloah the Father."

Actually that is exactly what it says.

>If God the father came down to earth
>in the body of our Messiah,
>why did he have to ask permission,
>and furthermore, why was He denied?

Huh?  Gunna have to explain what he needed permission fo, and what he was denied.

>If God is "one" as the Scripture says, how can He be "three"?

You did not read the post you are responding to, or you would already know
the answer to that, and your reply would then have not been non-responsive to
the original post.  We will cover more on Deut. 6:4 soon in part 2.

>Deut. 6:4 says YHWH is "one" does not necessarily require
>the meaning of singularity,

You just answered your own objection.

Comment by James Trimm on December 28, 2012 at 8:59am

>Ha Shem cannot die.

Really?  Is he omnipotent?  If so, how can you say he CANNOT do something?

You do not understand that he is omnipresent and can be manifest on earth and die here, while being alive elsewhere at the same time.

>Is Yeshua deity... Theou? godly. Yes
>Is Yeshua deity to us? Theos. High ruler over is...Yes.
>Is Yeshua Ton THEON? the God. No.

That's all Greek to me.
Is Messiah Elohim?  Yes.
Is Messiah YHWH?  Yes.

>Is Yeshua a man like us? Yes.
>Otherwise he would not be human and would not qualify as the messiah.

Messiah was both human and YHWH.  You already know that is the theology, so you already know that argument is without merit, so why try to use it?

Comment by James Trimm on December 28, 2012 at 9:01am

I have noticed that most of the responses to this blog have been no responsive to the points which were actually made in the blog.

Part 2 will be coming soon.

Comment by Donald Ledbetter on December 29, 2012 at 8:19pm

There are many obvious lies in the Greek New Testament.  You will never know of these lies if you are a Christian.  The Greek New Testament and the Catholic Church have rewritten the Apostles’ New Testament into something that is an abomination to the Heavenly Father and Yashua and that is why all Christians will be tossed into the lake of Fire.  Now I know that the book of Revelation does mention Christians because the name Christian was not known by the Apostles and did not exist until very late in the first century.  The catholic church rewrote it again when they translated it into their bible.  If you still do not know of the lies, then you are going into the lake of Fire.  You are called by Zeus Christ and you worship false gods.  Jesus did not have a last name because Satan named him and spoke for him.  The Pope believes that he is God Almighty and there is no other god but the Pope.  Mary is the Queen of Heaven(a false god) and Jesus is her son by the Sun god Nimrod.  Christianity is a Sun god religion just like the Easter religion is.  It also had a Queen of Heaven and a son by Nimrod, the Sun God.

Comment by Donald Ledbetter on December 29, 2012 at 8:23pm

to A M Blackwell.  In the gospel of John Yashua is called the Torah and also God.  The Torah is the Word of God

Comment by Donald Ledbetter on December 29, 2012 at 8:29pm

Yashua died from suffocation and for that his hands had to be directly above his head.  There was no christian cross, it was a tree with no cross piece.  One nail through both hands and one nail through each foor nailed at each side of the tree.  christianity is a complete lie and all christians are luke warm.

Comment by Doug Ri on December 30, 2012 at 1:22pm

James,
What's there to respond to in the blog?  That the spirit is female and the father and spirit brought forth the son?  If it isn't broken why fix it?  I agree with you.

Jeff,
I understand the word "name" to mean - "to draw attention to" or "to locate" not a "label".  Understanding is more important than names "Elohim is ONE and His name is not Jesus or Lord or Adonai or Jehovah. Yahvehshua prayed to Yahuhveh, not to Himself".  I pray to my father in heaven.  To be more precise I pray to my uncreated creator who dwells in the nothingness that defines all things in what draws attention to his expressed image.

Our father in heaven, hallowed be to locate you/ hallowed be what draws attention to you.

I don't know what you think but I don't think misuse of labels has anything to do with the harlot being Babylon.  She wants all the good feelings of salvation without the commitment Messiah had to his father and the disciples and that the disciples had to one another.  They all make the sacrifice of Cain.  They all make the grain offering before the sin offering.  They all are trying to bring attention to Messiah by doing good deeds (or trying to be good) before they've actually laid down their lives in a real way.  Unless a man forsakes everything he cannot be his disciple.

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