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On November 10th and 17th of 2004 Messianic Jews and Christians gathered together in Arlington Texas for:

The Great Torah Debate: Is the Torah for Today?

This was perhaps the first time a Nazarene/Messianic Rabbi had ever publicly debated with a Christian Pastor on this topic.


Messianic/Nazarene Rabbi James Scott Trimm of Beit Netzarim Congregation in Hurst Texas argued "Yes-- The Torah is for today."


Christian Pastor Mark Carr of Arlington Community Church in Arlington Texas argued "No-- The Torah is not for today." Messianics and Christians from several area congregations attended.

This important event is now available in a two DVD set:


http://www.lulu.com/nazarene

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Comment by William Clarke on August 17, 2009 at 5:41am
Christian in the sense of Nazarene? or Roman Pagan "Christian" (which included Protestants)? The debate makes no sense with Roman Pagans because NO standards would apply them as they do not obey G-d's laws to begin with. Jesus for them is an idol whom they "worship" but do not obey (Luke 6:46). For Nazarene Christians however, the standards of Jesus' church the Nazarenes can be found in the Apostalic Decree of 50AD states: "Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day" (Acts 15:19–21). This means that gentiles converts/proselytes are NOT required to circumcise but are required to adhere to ALL Ten Commandments (Sabbath observance) and Noahide Laws in order to is regarded as a Righteous Gentile or "B'nei Noach" (Children of Noah) or "Noahides". Since existing Nazarenes in the Jerusalem Assembly were completely Torah observant of ALL 613 Mitzvot, this relaxation would not apply to them because by definition Nazarene Judaism requires complete Torah observance. It is only the gentile convert who would be excused from the requirements aforementioned. And this was probably meant to be an interum step, that is, a first step. Therefore any children would observe ALL 613 Mitzvot (male children would be circumcised) as they would no longer be gentile converts but be Jews having been born of Nazarene Jewish mothers who were proselytes.
Comment by James Trimm on August 17, 2009 at 5:55am
No thats not at all what Acts 15 means.

We covered this a few weeks back at this blog:

http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2182335%3ABlogP...
Comment by James Trimm on August 17, 2009 at 5:58am
Also there is no such thing as "Christian in the sense of Nazarene" because "Nazarene" is short for "Nazarene Judaism"

Also read the following Beit Din ruling:
http://nazarenespace.ning.com/group/virtualchamberofhewnstone/forum...
Comment by Brian Forbes on February 7, 2011 at 11:51am
Do you have this debate in Divx (or similar) format for download?
Comment by James Trimm on February 7, 2011 at 12:12pm
I will look into this and let you know.
Comment by Brian Forbes on February 7, 2011 at 12:30pm

If you want to make a divx, it's pretty easy for smart people (which you are), and free, from a DVD.  Use:

http://www.dvddecrypter.org.uk/ - gets the files onto the drive

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gordianknot/files/ - a 3 step process in converting the files

 

I don't mind buying the DVD's if you don't have the download.  Expect my normal donation today.  I'll send you a private message.

Comment by David Stringer on February 8, 2011 at 5:30am

Jesus himself frequently referred to the Torah and spoke of it’s validity (e.g. Matthew 5:17-20).

17 “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill;

18 for truly I say to YOU that sooner would heaven and earth pass away than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means and not all things take place.

 19 Whoever, therefore, breaks one of these least commandments and teaches mankind to that effect, he will be called ‘least’ in relation to the kingdom of the heavens

 

These words from Jesus are very clear, furthermore The spirit messengers that oversee the spreading of the news of the kingdom of the heavens in these last days have re-endorsed Jesus words more than once.

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