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Comment by James Trimm on November 16, 2010 at 3:55am
Actually they did not call themselves Christians as Epiphanious writes in the 4th Century:

But these sectarians... did not call themselves Christians--but "Nazarenes," ... However they are simply complete Jews. They use not only the New Testament but the Old Testament as well, as the Jews do... They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion-- except for their belief in Messiah, if you please! For they acknowledge both the resurrection of the dead and the divine creation of all things, and declare that G-d is one, and that his son is Yeshua the Messiah. They are trained to a nicety in Hebrew. For among them the entire Law, the Prophets, and the... Writings... are read in Hebrew, as they surely are by the Jews. They are different from the Jews, and different from Christians, only in the following. They disagree with Jews because they have come to faith in Messiah; but since they are still fettered by the Law--circumcision, the Sabbath, and the rest-- they are not in accord with Christians.... they are nothing but Jews.... They have the Goodnews according to Matthew in its entirety in Hebrew. For it is clear that they still preserve this, in the Hebrew alphabet, as it was originally written." (Epiphanius; Panarion 29)
Comment by James Trimm on November 16, 2010 at 3:58am
While the term “Christian(s)” appears three times in the so-called New Testament (1Kefa 4:16 being one, the others are Acts 11:26 and 26:28). Nowhere in the so-called “New Testament” does any believer refer to himself as, or claim to be a “Christian”. It should also be noted that Paul never uses the word. The term always appears in a context where non-believers are using it. The term was first used at Antioch, where the message first went out to Gentiles, in reference to the first Gentile (more correctly formerly Gentile) Assembly. The term was a derogatory term in the first century. It was Ignatious of Antioch who (around 98 CE) coined the term “Christianity” to refer to a new and different religion from Judaism:

Be not deceived with strange doctrines;
nor with old fables which are unprofitable.
For if we still continue to live according to the Jewish Law,
we do confess ourselves not to have received grace…

let us learn to live according to the rules of Christianity,
for whosoever is called by any other name
besides this, he is not of God….

It is absurd to name Jesus Christ, and to Judaize.
For the Christian religion did not embrace the Jewish.
But the Jewish the Christian…
(Mag. 3:1, 8, 11)

Kefa here identifies being called a “Christain” with “suffering” akin to being called a “murderer” a “thief” or a “worker of evel”. We should no more use this passage as an encouragement to embrace the lable “Christian” than to embrace the labels “murderer”, “thief” and “worker of evil.”

You may be surprised to find out that the original Jewish followers of Yeshua were NOT “Messianic Jews”. As Daniel Juster writes:

No form of Judaism or Christianity…
has used the term “Messianic Judaism”
as its appropriate designation.
(Jewish Roots; 1986 edition, p. viii)

The original followers of Yeshua were a sect of Judaism known as “Nazarenes” (as we read in Acts 24:5).

The term “Messianic Judaism” was invented in the late 60’s and it is a human invention. David Stern writes in his Messianic Jewish Manifesto:

According to Scripture the word “Christian” does not denote Jewish believers in Yeshua at all. The New Testament calls them followers of “this way” (Acts 9:2, 22:4) and “Nazarenes” (Acts 24:5)… the New Testament does not call Jewish believers “Christians”. According to New Testament usage the term “Christian” is reserved for Gentile believers in the Jewish Messiah Yeshua.

Acts 11:19-26 tells how in Antioch some Jewish believers… did not limit their proclamation of Yeshua as the Messiah to Jews, as had been the norm previously, but broke new ground… Many of these Gentiles came to believe… the other Gentiles in Antioch… coined the word christianoi (Christians),… Thus the term “Christian” was invented by Gentiles to describe Gentiles in a Gentile environment. The New Testament tells us explicitly that “the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.” [Acts 11:26]
(Messianic Jewish Manifesto; David Stern; p. 32)

Now it is important here to note that David Stern himself in his Jewish New Testament and Complete Jewish Bible, translates Acts 11:26 with:

…it was at Antioch that the talmidim for the first time were called “Messianic”.
(Acts 11:26 JNT)

In his commentary to this passage in his Jewish New Testament Commentary Stern writes:

“Messianic,” or “Messianics,” Greek Christianoi, which could be rendered… as in other translations, “Christians.” …the name “Christianoi” was applied to Gentile believers by Gentile nonbelievers. The name nonbelieving Jews gave to Jewish believers was “Natzaratim”… (“Nazarenes”),…

Again in Messianic Jewish Manifesto Stern writes:

“Messianic” comes from the Hebrew mashiach, which means “anointed.” “Christian” comes from Greek christos, which is the [Greek] New Testament’s translation of mashiach AND MEANS THE SAME THING. …in the New Testament the term “Christian,” which appears only three times, apparently denotes being a Gentile believer in Yeshua, so that scripturally “Jewish Christian” is a contradiction in terms.
(Emphasis and brackets added)
(Messianic Jewish Manifesto; David Stern; p. 20)

Now we can see from David Stern’s own words above:

1. The terms “Christian” and “Messianic” are alternate translations of the Greek word “Christianoi” “and mean the same thing”.

2. The term “Christianoi” or “Christian” is used in the scriptures only to denote a GENTILE believer in Yeshua, so that scripturally the term “Jewish Christian” is “a contradiction in terms”.

Therefore we may conclude that:

The term “Messianic” is used in the scriptures only to denote a GENTILE believer in Yeshua, so that scripturally the term “Messianic Jew” is a contradiction in terms.

The logic is inescapable… the term “Messianic Judaism” is scripturally invalid, it is a human invention and a contradiction in terms.

So what were the original Jewish followers of Yeshua called if they were not Messianic Jews? Stern admits:
The New Testament calls them followers of “this way” (Acts 9:2, 22:4) and “Nazarenes” (Acts 24:5)
(Messianic Jewish Manifesto; David Stern; p. 32)

In fact if we quote Stern, but substitute the word “Messianic” for “Christians” (since Stern admits “they are the same”) we read:

According to Scripture the word “MESSIANIC” does not denote Jewish believers in Yeshua at all. The New Testament calls them followers of “this way” (Acts 9:2, 22:4) and “NAZARENES” (Acts 24:5)… the New Testament does not call Jewish believers “MESSIANIC”. According to New Testament usage the term “MESSIANIC” is reserved for Gentile believers in the Jewish Messiah Yeshua.

So the BIBLICAL term for Jewish believers in Messiah is NOT “Messianic” but “Nazarene”. We should be seeking a restoration of “Nazarene Judaism” not creating “Messianic Judaism” which, being “Christian Judaism” (i.e. “Christianized Judaism”) is a contradiction in terms.
Comment by James Trimm on November 16, 2010 at 9:09am
Actually Kefa (1Kefa 4:16) totally supports the idea that "Christian" was at the time a derogatory term. Kefa cites being called "Christian" as an example of suffering akin to being called "a murderer, a thief, an evildoer or a busybody in other men's matters" (1Kefa 5:15-16).
Comment by James Trimm on November 16, 2010 at 4:57pm
The "but" only contrasts "suffering" with not being ashamed. In fact the same word "as" is appended to the whole series, "as a thief" "as a murderer" "as a Christian" this does not mean that any of these terms were accurate names for them.
Comment by Yacov Shlomo on November 16, 2010 at 6:59pm
I was in this same debate Sunday evening here locally and one being a Russian Jew.

Christianity, by definition, refuses to follow the Laws of Moshe because "they are gentiles and are not required to follow the Laws of Moshe and because their Jesus did away with the Law."

Religious Jews do follow the Laws of Moshe which are the Laws of Hashem and which are the Laws of Messiah.

The Russian Jew did not like my take on the difference between Jesus Christ and Yeshua HaMoshiach. She thought that they were one and the same. I certainly do not follow in the footsteps of men like Martin Luther or virilant anti-semites.

Anayahu, Yeshuas Talmidim would have argued the same faith except that the Jerusalem Pharisees and Saducees separated themselves from the Pious Ones.
Comment by Yacov Shlomo on November 16, 2010 at 8:15pm
Christian - I agree with your definition by Kefa, but the definition that I quoted is the definition according to Christian Tribal Law (Catechisms).
I will state that is NOT the definition that I see walked out by many a xtian due to their heart. Their Theological statements and beliefs deceive even them UNTIL you compare their religious beleifs and statements with scripture. When you do that, every Evangelical/Pentecostal Pastor agrees that Judaism is the One True Faith.
Comment by James Trimm on November 16, 2010 at 9:14pm
We can debate the point back and forth, but it is undeniable that the context of Kefa's statement does not indicate that believers were calling THEMSELVES "Christians".

The facts:

1. Epiphanius states that the Nazarenes called themselves "Nazarenes" and did NOT call themselves "Christians".

2. No believer in the NT ever identifies himself as a "Christian", in all three occurrences the usage indicates a word that was being used by non-believers to describe believers.

These two facts together seem to settle the matter.
Comment by Yacov Shlomo on November 16, 2010 at 10:26pm
Rabbi Trimm makes the points very distinctly and very decisively.

In my opinion from a Theological and Judicial perspective, there is a huge difference between Christ and Messiah/Moshiach/Mashiach. The difference is that the first murdered our people and the saints (like the muslims do) and the latter would never do such a thing. Christ, according to Christian Tribal Law, is not Torah Observant. Messiah/Moshiach/Mashiach was, is and always shall be Torah Observant. One is a gentile god and the other is the El Avraham Aveinu.
Comment by James Trimm on November 17, 2010 at 11:45am
In no passage does Paul ever use the word "Christian(s)".
Comment by James Trimm on November 17, 2010 at 12:42pm
Kefa (Peter) refers to believers being called "Christians", he is placing the word in the mouths of their persecutors. In all three usages in the NT the word "Christian(s)" is always placed in the mouths of non-believers, nowhere do believers refer to themselves as "Christians".

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