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"Tithing one's earnings is simply a custom and is *not obligatory* under the Mosaic or rabbinical law"

The ***Jewish Encyclopedia*** under the topic of TITHING cotains the following insight:


The tithe for the poor gave rise to the tithingof one's earnings, with the object of distributing among the needy the sum so appropriated. This is inferred in Sifre (quoted in Tos. to Ta'an. 9a) from Deut. xiv. 22, and is therefore considered as an obligation imposed by the Mosaic law ("Ṭure Zahab" to Shulḥan 'Aruk, Yoreh De'ah, 249, 1; comp. Isaiah Horwitz, "Shene Luḥot ha-Berit," and Joseph Hahn, "Yosef Omeẓ," p. 176, Frankfort-on-the-Main, 1723). Joel Sirkes in his "Bayit Ḥadash" (to Shulḥan 'Aruk, l.c.), however, thinks that

***tithing one's earnings is simply a custom and *is not obligatory either under the Mosaic or under the rabbinical law*. The whole of the tithe must be given to the poor; and no part of it may be appropriated to any other religious purpose (Shulḥan 'Aruk, l.c., Isserles' gloss).W
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Comment by Shawn on September 2, 2009 at 7:59am
YES! I love this post!
Comment by James Trimm on September 2, 2009 at 10:09am
Note that is just what "Joel Sirkes... thinks" not the official position of Orthodox Rabbinic Judaism as expressed om the Sifre ond Tosefta that it is "...tithing ones earnings" is "...considered an obligation imposed by the Mosaic Law" (t.Taan. 9a and Sifre Deut. xiv 22).

Also as we read in How To Run a Traditional Jewish Household by Blu Greenberg
"...to contribute one tenth, a tithe, to charities... is a mitzvah [commandment], an act of gratitude,
and a good habit that one should be taught at an early age."
(How To Run a Traditional Jewish Household by Blu Greenberg p. 280)
Comment by James Trimm on September 2, 2009 at 10:13am
At any rate as shown in my two part blog:

http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-tithe-of-yhwh-the-...

http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-tithe-of-yhwh-the-...

Tithing is (regardless of the fat that it is practiced in Rabbinic Judaism) a Scriptural practice of the Torah for all generations forever.
Comment by Ann Wilson on September 2, 2009 at 10:10pm
James, are you supporting any widows or orphans/fatherless with the tithes your receive?

Also, can you show us where Gentiles tithed?
Can you show us where under the Mosaic law people tithed anything other than agricultural produce?
Is there a verse in the Torah, that commands the fisherman to tithe? That was a very common profession, so
there must be a scripture describing how to tithe ones fish....

However each and every time the items to be tithed are specifically mentioned, NEVER is anything other than agricultural produce mentioned.

Other Rabbinic writings describe what is to be tithed as what can be eaten or drank.
That is why Malachi quotes YHWH saying that the tithe was to be brought into the storehouse, so that there might be 'meat that there may be meat h2964 טרף tereph

***FOOD*** 1) prey, food, leaf

in YHWH's house.

James, where is the word "tereph" used to as a synonym "money"?

And whem did a local congregation instead of the Temple in Jerusalem, first begin to be considered to be by YHWH to be YHWH's storehouse?
Comment by James Trimm on September 2, 2009 at 11:20pm
I am not sure you know what a "Gentile" is... but the tithe preceded the Mosaic Torah, and the principle of the tithe is that YHWH is entitled to 100% because everything is His. So the principle of the tithe is YHWH's gift of 90% to us, rather than our gift of 10% to him. Yes YHWH gives the Gentiles 90% as well.

You make the false argument that the Tithe spoken of in the Mosaic Law is unique, but in fact as we see in Hebrews 7 the tithe Abraham paid to Melchizadek was exactly the same tithe that the Levites were paid from later. The first tithe is NOT instituted in the Mosaic Torah because it already existed (as evidenced in Gen. 14). The first mention of the tithe in the Mosaic Covenant is at the end of Leviticus, this mention does not institute a tithe, but simply acknowledges the fact that the Tithe belongs to YHWH. The tith Avraham paid, which was the exact same tithe the Levites were paid from, i.e. the first tithe, was paid on "all" (Gen. 14:20).

We have covered all of this Anna, its like talking to a brick wall.
Comment by James Trimm on September 2, 2009 at 11:21pm

And whem did a local congregation instead of the Temple in Jerusalem, first begin to be considered to be by YHWH to be YHWH's storehouse?


Those elders who conduct themselves well
should be esteemed worthy of double honor,
especially those who labor in the word and
in teaching, For the Scripture says that
`you should not muzzle the ox, while threshing,' (Deut. 25:4)
and `the laborer is worthy of his wage." (Mt. 10:10)
(1Tim. 5:17-18)

Paul also expands on this thought in 1Cor. 9:6-14:

Also, I only, and Bar Nabba, have we not the power not to work?
Who is this who labors in the service (ministry) by the expanse of his nefesh?
Or who is he who plants a vineyard and from its fruit does not eat?
Or who is he who tends the flock and from the milk of his flock does not eat?
Do I say these [things] as a son of man?
Behold, the Torah also said these [things]. For it is written in the Torah of Moshe,
`You shall not muzzle the ox that threshes.' (Deut. 25:4)
It is a concern to Eloah about oxen? But, it is known that because of us he
said [it] and because of us it was written, because it is a need [that] the plowman plow unto hope and he who threshes, unto the hope of the harvest. If we have sown spiritual [things] among you, is it a great [thing] if we reap [things] of the flesh from you? … those who labor [in] the Beit Kodesh [the Temple] are sustained from the Beit Kodesh and those who labor for the alter have a portion with the alter?
So also, our Adon commanded that those who are proclaiming his goodnews should live from his goodnews."
(1Cor. 9:6-14)
Comment by Ann Wilson on September 3, 2009 at 12:13am
James, I know that the tithe was not unique. It was practiced by many ancient societies. It is interesting that even Yoseph in Egypt, did not ask for a tithe for himself did he. I looked and looked and looked, and these verses do not support your position of people "tithing" to those teaching the Word. They do support "giving" to teachers, but not tithing.

There is a BIG difference.........

Remember those Levites who recieved the tithe, did so as their inheritance, since YHWH did not give them land as He did the other tribes. Those who take tithes today, ignore that part of reason for YHWH giving/providing the tithe to the levites and priests. They have their inheritances, but they still want the people's tithe. Why should teachers today recieve BOTH, an inheritance and people's tithes?

Regarding giving, apparently many gave funds to Yahshua and His disciples, but we never read about Him asking for Tithes. As I said, for Him to ask for tithes would have been a violation of Torah unless He would have bene considered to be among the poor to whom the tithes were given.
Comment by James Trimm on September 3, 2009 at 1:25am
… those who labor [in] the Beit Kodesh [the Temple] are sustained from the Beit Kodesh and those who labor for the alter have a portion with the alter?
So also, our Adon commanded that those who are proclaiming his goodnews should live from his goodnews."
(1Cor. 9:6-14)
Comment by James Trimm on September 3, 2009 at 1:26am
The word "so" in this context means "likewise" or "in the same way". The same way the Levites were supported, would be the tithe.
Comment by Ann Wilson on September 5, 2009 at 11:05am
James:
The brick wall is that you have taken a position, and if you acknowledge that you are wrong, you would have to return all of the "ill gotten tithes" that you have collected. So you cannot afford to acknowledge that you have been teaching falsely.

I never said that tithing began under Moses. It obviously existed prior to Moshe, it in fact was commonly practiced in antiquity among many other nations.

YHWH described through Moshe to whom the tithe was to be paid, why it was to be paid, and from what substance. It was ONLY due on agricultural produce, not from fish, nor lumber, nor wild game, nor minerals, etc., etc.

Your position on tithing would require an auto maker to tithe to you one of every vehicle he produced, or if he produced fishing reels, you would be due one of each of those, or 1 of each tire, etc., etc.
This was NOT the manner in which the Levites were supported. The "meat" of Malachi 3:10 that was to be in YHWH's house was as I had proven before was "food/nourishment".

The texts below that you provided from 1Cor. 9:6-14)

"....It is a concern to Eloah about oxen? But, it is known that because of us he
said [it] and because of us it was written, because it is a need [that] the plowman plow unto hope and he who threshes, unto the hope of the harvest. If we have sown spiritual [things] among you, is it a great [thing] if we reap [things] of the flesh from you? … those who labor [in] the Beit Kodesh [the Temple] are sustained from the Beit Kodesh and those who labor for the alter have a portion with the alter?
So also, our Adon commanded that those who are proclaiming his goodnews should live from his goodnews."
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James. what did the ox partake of when treading the grain? Simply food...

What did those that minister at the altar partake from the altar? Simply food...

As can be proven repeatedly from the Torah, the tithe was "food", from the crops, and livestock.

So today, yes donations should be given to those who labor in the word, but NEVER in the multitude of references in the NT is the word "tithe" used to define these donations, or in the text that you provided from Mark 10, where many details were given when the disciples were sent out,were they told to ask people for "tithes". Why is that James?

Do you teach that Yahshua collected tithes from the people? Please provide the text for your response.

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