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What is the "Synagogue of Satan" mentioned in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.
Both passage identify this group as "those who say they are Jews but
lie".

An interpretation of the above texts have surfaced which interprets
these texts to refer to those Jews who do not accept Yeshua as the
Messiah. But an honest look at the Scriptures will show that it is
not possible to identify the "Synagogue of Satan" in this way.

To begin with it is important to recognize that the same "Yochanan"
("John") wrote both Revelation and the Gospel of Yochanan. Not only
is this the traditional understanding, but there are a number of
common elements that point to the common authorship of these two
books. Both books identify the Messiah as the "lamb" (Jn. 1:29; Rev.
5:6, 8, 12; 14:1) and as the incarnate "word" (Jn. 1:1-3, 14; Rev.
19:13) and both refer to the "living waters" (Jn. 4:10; 7:38; Rev. 22:1)*.

Now we must look at how Yochanan uses the word "Jew" in his own
writings. Yochanan himself frequently invokes the term "Jews" to
refer to Jewish people who rejected Yeshua as the Messiah. For example:

"therefore did the Jews persecute Yeshua" (Jn. 5:16)
"the Jews sought more to kill him" (Jn. 5:18)
"the Jews then murmured at him" (Jn. 6:41)
"the Jews sought to kill him" (Jn. 7:1)
etc. etc. etc.

CLEARLY Yochanan has absolutely no objection whatsoever to using the
term "Jews" to refer either to Jews who accepted Messiah or those that
rejected him. Therefore the statement in Rev. 2:9 and 3:9 cannot be
criticizing this usage of the word "Jews". Otherwise Yochanan would
here be criticizing his own inspired writing in the Gospel of John in
which he does just that himself frequently!

So what does Yochanan refer to here? I believe he refers to the newly
hatched apostate teaching of "replacement theology".


James Trimm


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* Some modern Liberal Greek Origin scholars have argued that the two
books had different authors because they use different Greek words for
"lamb" and different Greek phrases for "living waters" and in the
Greek versions, the grammatical style of the Greek is very different
between the two books. However in the Aramaic these words, phrases
and style are the same. The differences in the Greek only point to
different Greek translators.

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Comment by James Trimm on December 17, 2008 at 5:19pm
Paul NEVER says that physically uncircumcised gentiles become "Jews" (i.e. the Assembly of Israel) without getting physically circumcised simply because they believe in Messiah. If he HAD said that he would have contradicted Torah itself (Ex. 12:47-49) and if he HAD contradicted Torah we would be commanded by Torah to reject his teachings (Deut. 13:1-5).

A person can be saved without becoming circumcised, but they cannot become part of the Assembly of Israel without being circumcised.

Premise 1:
All members of the "Assembly of Israel" must eat the Passover (Ex. 12:47)

Premise 2:
No uncircumcised man may eat the Passover (Ex. 12:48)

Argument::
If all members of the Assembly of Israel must eat the Passover
and if no uncircumcised men may eat the Passover
then all male members of the Assembly of Israel must be circumcised.

Conclusion:
All male members of the Assembly of Israel are circumcised.

Corollary:
No male members of the Assembly of Israel are uncircumcised.

Premise 3:
Some uncircumcised men are saved (Acts 15)

Argument: :
If all members of the Assembly of Israel are circumcised and if some uncircumcised men are saved,
then some saved persons are not members of the Assembly of Israel.

Conclusion:
Some saved persons are not members of the Assembly of Israel.
Comment by James Trimm on December 17, 2008 at 7:00pm
AMEN!

If Messiah is the Bridegroom and if Am-Yisrael is His bride, then the Torah is our Ketuvah and the Noachide covenant (i.e. the stipulations of Acts 15) are are the betrothal. NO ONE should lead on YHWH by getting betrothed while having absolutely no intention of consummating a full blown marriage with an eventual circumcision.
Comment by Mikha El on December 17, 2008 at 9:41pm
The term "Jews" appearing many more times in the kjv book of John, referring to the unbelieving, tends to obscure the times when John was letting the reader know their were those that did believe:

Joh 4:22 “You worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because the deliverance is of the Jews

Joh 11:45 Therefore many of the Jews who had come to Miryam, and had seen what יהושע did, believed in Him.
Comment by Wayne Ingalls on December 18, 2008 at 12:44am
Shalom Rabbi Trimm,
By "Noachide Covenant" are you referring to Talmud Bavli, Sanhedrin 58b which speaks of the "Seven Laws of Noach" or to the Rainbow covenant of Bereshiyt 9:11-17?

Blessings,
Wayne
Comment by James Trimm on December 18, 2008 at 12:58am
They are generally accepted as being the same.
Comment by David Chang on December 18, 2008 at 9:38am
There is a belief in some christian circles that they are spiritual Isreal, as opposed to blood-line Israel. Is that what you refer to as Replacement Theology? You may be right or at least partially right.

Not to be ignored is that the historian Josephus reminds us that the Herod Dynastic Line were in fact Edomites who converted to Judaism (Ref upon request ) which would render them nominal Jews only.
Comment by Wayne Ingalls on December 19, 2008 at 8:12am
Shalom Rabbi Trimm,

I guess I do not see any connection whatsoever between this:

1. Do not murder.
2. Do not steal.
3. Do not worship false gods.
4. Do not be sexually immoral.
5. Do not eat a limb removed from a live animal.
6. Do not curse God.
7. Set up courts and bring offenders to justice.

and this:

Gen 9:11 “And I shall establish My covenant with you, and never again is all flesh cut off by the waters of the flood, and never again is there a flood to destroy the earth.”
Gen 9:12 And Elohim said, “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for all generations to come:
Gen 9:13 “I shall set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth.
Gen 9:14 “And it shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud,
Gen 9:15 and I shall remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh, and never again let the waters become a flood to destroy all flesh.
Gen 9:16 “And the rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I shall see it, to remember the everlasting covenant between Elohim and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.”
Gen 9:17 And Elohim said to Noaḥ, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.”

Can you explain why these are generally accepted to be the same?

Wayne
Comment by James Trimm on December 19, 2008 at 2:25pm
The Rabbis derive the seven laws of Noah from the first nine chapters of Genesis on the theory that each covenant encompasses the previous covenants. (thus the the Noachide Covenant embraces the commandments in the Edenic and Adamic Covenants).

1. Do not murder. (Gen. 4:1-24; 9:5-6)
2. Do not steal. (Gen. 2:17; 3:6)
3. Do not worship false gods. (Gen. 3:5)
4. Do not be sexually immoral. (Gen. 6:1-14; 9:1, 7)
5. Do not eat a limb removed from a live animal. (Gen. 9:1-4)
6. Do not curse God. (Gen. 3:1; 9:6)
7. Set up courts and bring offenders to justice. (Gen. 3:8-19; 6:5)
Comment by James Trimm on December 22, 2008 at 3:06am
My literal translation of the Seven Laws of Noah as given in the Aramaic of b.San. 56a

1. Judges/Justice
2. Blessing the Name
3. [Against] Idolatry (literally “Idolatrous Seed” a common idiom for Idolatry)
4. [Against] Uncovering Nakedness (idiom for sexual immorality)
5. [Against] Shedding Blood (idiom for murder)
6. [Against] Theft
7. [Against] Limb of Living [Animal]

You will see from the above that a lot of liberty has been taken with the translation give by many sources.

I find especially interesting the commandment to "Bless the Name" rather than a negative commandment against blasphemy. I am working on an in-depth article on this topic, so I will be posting more detailed information soon.
Comment by Lionel Lenox on September 22, 2009 at 11:07am
Could be replacement theory, but I go with The House of Rothschild

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