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Any thoughts on the revival of the "Black Robe Brigade" old and/or new?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,591785,00.html

http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/8198820/

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=7123

http://www.daveblackonline.com/pastors.htm

In the past we have said:

"As we consistently declare we are not Christians, that we do not accept their theology and interpretation of the Scriptures, that we are not their intimate brothers and ‘co-heirs’ with their messiah, they will reject us and look at us with suspicion. This is not to say that we will cease to cooperate with Christians in encouraging righteousness among all peoples and working towards common goals, just as the Jewish and Christian communities do today. But cooperation in ‘evangelism’ or other such things will no longer be possible. We are not preaching the same messiah and our idea of discipleship will be
completely different." - Rav. Mikhael, Nazarene Judaism: A New Vision (1999 Netzarim Conference)

Is this such an area?  Can and should Nazarene leaders stand with Pastors, [Rabbinic Rabbis] along with Glenn Beck (a Mormon)
to cooperate with in encouraging righteousness among all peoples and working towards common goals?

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If we cannot, then who among us are righteous?
As I'm intimately involved with the restoration of those principles and unalienable rights, the idea of the Black Robed Regiment is based upon solid ground. If our pastors, preachers and rabbis are not speaking out about these violations of our fundamental values and ethics, both personally and in our government, then who is going to shepherd the flocks?

I believe that the reason we have strayed from the path of righteousness and righteous behavior is due to the fact that governments regularly usurp and undermine the authority of those who would keep us on the right path.
Well stated Gerry.
If our Good Shepherds do not stand united together for the common good, all Freedom is lost. We do not have to agree on Theological Positions to Unite on Inalienable Principals. If the Shepherds do not lead, the State will lead and take Freedom away from all.
Yes we should, but is his call for repentance real?
I think it is "real" within the parameters of his own understanding of "righteousness".

YishaiMonty said:
Yes we should, but is his call for repentance real?
Until a Nazarene Jew becomes the leader, we have to settle for the next best option. They will know where our loyalties lie when someone better takes the reins. It would be dumb to stand for nothing.
I am well aware of the nuances of Mormonism.



לגשר said:
There are elements of Judaism which would certainly have us believe that the Seven laws of Noah can be found in most of the world's major religions allowing the possibility of working towards common goals.

Mr. Beck says his efforts were born out of a desire to return to the principals on which our country was founded, to include belief in "G-d". However, the definition of "G-d" is certainly relative to one's own religious beliefs. Take for instance some basic Mormon precepts:

*G-d was born and raised on another planet.
* He has a harem of wives.
* They produce spirit-babies that are sent to earth; there they gain bodies and earn sainthood.
* Jesus is the brother of Lucifer.
* Jesus is the chosen/elected savior by a council of gods from other worlds.
* America is the promised land, not Israel. The holy city is Independence, Missouri, not Jerusalem. Jesus’ latter-day agenda is to return to Missouri.
* The U.S. Constitution is as sacred as the Book of Mormon. In the latter days, it will be under siege and will be saved by Mormons. Thus, we must “reclaim America” to save the Constitution and usher in a genuine age of Mormon leadership. They want to build a Mormon kingdom on earth, similar to modern day Dominioists/Kingdom Now proponents within Christianity. Founder Joseph Smith had a socialistic philosophy and wished to have a society that shared things in common.
* America’s founding fathers were “spirit babies” who created a “sacred Constitution.”
* Salvation is works-based and not through grace and faith.

These are not our beliefs and as such, not only can we not turn back to them, but we were never there to begin with. The same is true for Islamic, Hindu, and other belief systems.

One area in which we can stand with those of other faiths is Patriotism. We can love and believe in our country and support those who defend her no matter our beliefs. And we can certainly pray for our leaders and nation. But standing arm and arm and singing "We are the World" is not going to make the cut. Unless, of course it's at a Pilgrimage Feast and we're "giving" our offerings.

Bottom line: There is One Elohim and only one way to serve Him and that's Torah!
That was all I had time to type at the time, I got called away from the keyboard. While these things may be true,
I fail to see why they would prevent us from cooperating with Christians in encouraging righteousness among all peoples and working towards common goals,.

לגשר said:
James,

My statement was hardly only about the "nuances" of Mormonism. Why would you only comment on that part.
We can stand together in the Principles of Faith, Hope and Charity. All three are Principles that any religion can stand together with another religion. We either stand with them or King George will stand on us and make us slaves. I'd rather die 'al kiddush-Hashem than become a slave to any other Master other than Hashem.
Also, from my understanding of the Founding Fathers of the USA, when they mention "creator" or "God" they mean the G-d of Israel from their understanding of scripture. The Declaration of Independence makes that abundantly clear.
Or on "prudence, righteousness, courage and temperance" which are the "forms of Wisdom" of "the discipline of the Torah" (4Macc. 1:17-18).

Yacov Azriel Shlomo said:
We can stand together in the Principles of Faith, Hope and Charity. All three are Principles that any religion can stand together with another religion. We either stand with them or King George will stand on us and make us slaves. I'd rather die 'al kiddush-Hashem than become a slave to any other Master other than Hashem.
Also, from my understanding of the Founding Fathers of the USA, when they mention "creator" or "God" they mean the G-d of Israel from their understanding of scripture. The Declaration of Independence makes that abundantly clear.
I get the impression the founding Fathers have been repainted as mostly secular or half-Christian people, when in reality they may have been very much more devout than the liberal media prefers to entertain.

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