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"Tithing one's earnings is simply a custom and is *not obligatory* under the Mosaic or rabbinical law"

The ***Jewish Encyclopedia*** under the topic of TITHING cotains the following insight:


The tithe for the poor gave rise to the tithingof one's earnings, with the object of distributing among the needy the sum so appropriated. This is inferred in Sifre (quoted in Tos. to Ta'an. 9a) from Deut. xiv. 22, and is therefore considered as an obligation imposed by the Mosaic law ("Ṭure Zahab" to Shulḥan 'Aruk, Yoreh De'ah, 249, 1; comp. Isaiah Horwitz, "Shene Luḥot ha-Berit," and Joseph Hahn, "Yosef Omeẓ," p. 176, Frankfort-on-the-Main, 1723). Joel Sirkes in his "Bayit Ḥadash" (to Shulḥan 'Aruk, l.c.), however, thinks that

***tithing one's earnings is simply a custom and *is not obligatory either under the Mosaic or under the rabbinical law*. The whole of the tithe must be given to the poor; and no part of it may be appropriated to any other religious purpose (Shulḥan 'Aruk, l.c., Isserles' gloss).W
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Comment by Shawn on September 6, 2009 at 11:41am
And J Jury sure I understood your statement was not targeted...I was stating that Ann does have some valid points although I have not read everything she has posted on here. But of what I have read these are legit concerns which I share.
Comment by Shawn on September 6, 2009 at 11:54am
I hope that my thoughts on this subject are understood as my own personal opinion and not an attack on any specific person. It is certainly not an attack on Mr. Trimm and his points of view on the tithe. I wish his ministry well and hope he is able to teach Torah to many people. I just have concerns about the exact qualifications for receiving tithes.
Comment by James Trimm on September 6, 2009 at 1:40pm
All anti-tithers, the Torah says the Tithe belongs to YHWH so can you show me anywhere where YHWH
relinquishes his claim to the tithe and gives it to you?

It is my obligation to reach Torah Observance.

If someone comes on here saying Sabbath observance is not for today I will rebuke that.

If someone comes on here saying the koseher laws are not for today I will rebuke that.

If someone comes on here saying the biblical feasts are not for today I will rebuke that.

And if someone comes on here saying YHWH's tithe is not for today I will rebuke that as well.

Your word is truth from the beginning:
and every one of your righteous judgements
endures forever.
(Psalm 119:160)

Furthermore the Tanak tells us that the Torah is not to be changed or taken away from:

You shall not add to the word
which I command you,
neither shall you diminish a thing from it,
that you may keep the commandments
of YHWH your Elohim which I command you.
(Deut 4:2)

Whatever thing I command you,
observe to do it: you shall not add thereto,
nor diminish from it.
(Deut. 12:32)

In fact Deut. 12:32-13:19 teaches us that anyone who takes anything away from Torah or teaches you not to keep Torah commnadments they are a false prophet and not to listen to them.
Comment by Shawn on September 6, 2009 at 5:55pm
That is a good question James "...so can you show me anywhere where YHWH relinquishes his claim to the tithe and gives it to you?" You have addressed that question to all anti-tithers. I've never met anyone or seen anyone posting who opposes Torah based tithes. I have seen posts that question who is qualified to recieve the tithe and to where it is supposed to be paid. The concern over who is qualified to recieve the tithe and to where it is to paid is equal to the question "who is qualified to carry out a stoning of a false prophet at this time?" Who is qualified to carry out capitol punishment as found in the Torah? Those people with enough chutzpah to claim that they fulfill all biblical requirements to recieve the tithes ought to have enough patience to endure the many doubts of such a claim. Of course having questions about who is qualified to receive the tithe and to where it is to be paid is not equal to saying Hashems tithes are not for today.
Comment by Aish Tamid on September 6, 2009 at 6:02pm
Shawn,

I certainly respect the fact that we all have the right to an opinion. Believe me: I understand what you mean when you say, "I just have concerns about the exact qualifications for receiving tithes." To me, it all comes down to a matter of trust. The qualifications for receiving tithes are diminished by the fact that we are required to give. Again I emphasize: it's the giving that's important, not who receives. I'm not saying, "give Yahweh's tithe money to anyone!", and I certainly respect wanting to seek clarification before where to place Yahweh's money. We need to be good stewards, right? All too often we (people) use this as a crutch, or as an excuse to not give at all, with the mentality, "I don't want to tithe to the wrong person/group/organization, so until I know for sure I won't tithe at all." Remember the parable of the talents? It's exactly like the mentality of the third servant. "I didn't want to lose or waste the money, so I hid it." What Yahweh decides to do with the money after it leaves our hands is His decision; give to whomever you deem worthy; but above all, give.
Comment by James Trimm on September 6, 2009 at 6:18pm
What I am saying is that the tithe belongs to YHWH, if one keeps it then one is also claiming the right to receive YHWH's tithe. My question is on what basis does the "layman" i.e. Joe Sixpack have for receiving YHWH's tithe themselves from their own increase.

I have made the case for those who labor in the word, but I am wondering what passages are used to give Joe Sixpack the right to receive YHWH's tithe from his own increase.

Whatever arguments are used the bottom line is that these people are arguing against observing the tithe, which is just as bad as not observing the Sabbath etc.
Comment by Shawn on September 6, 2009 at 6:25pm
J Jury I think everyone agrees with with your statement of give to help people out. I guess the best way to put it is that the Torah is the constitution of a nation, the nation of Israel. Its laws rulings and decrees are meant to be used for a nation within its national boundries (unless specifically specified). It is designed to set up Judicial systems, law enforcement, and even Charity organizations to help the poor within that national governmental system. Now lets equate that to our being US citizens. What if I said to you "hey J Jury Im a US citizen therefore I am qualified to receive your income taxes. Dont worry I have the governments best interest at heart, just pay the money to me, trust me I'm qualified to receive your federal income tax." No doubt your taxes are due, but who are they due to? Can any US citizen claim to be the recipeint of your income taxes? No. There is a national system according to the US laws in which we must operate or else we are breaking the rules of the nation. What if you told the IRS "well shawn told me he was qualified to receive the income tax." Do you think that would get you out of trouble? This is equal to you saying to Hashem "Well minister so and so told me they were qualified to recieve your tithes." THE TORAH IS A constitution of a nation setting up a government for a nation in which certain people have authority and others are subject to that authority. We cannot hyper spiritualize everything and make all things applicable to all people.
Comment by Shawn on September 6, 2009 at 8:51pm
Just to be clear I totally disagree with the title of this blog. I understand that titheing is not just a custom and it is obligatory under Mosaic and rabbinic law. But I also recognize that there are pre-requisites, specifications, and quilified persons involved with the tithes as described in the Torah. When all of these pre-reqs are established and the properly qualified individuals are reinstated of course tithes will begin again as described in the Torah.
Comment by Shawn on September 6, 2009 at 9:01pm
There are several animal and grain sacrifices that belong to Hashem, Joe sixpack has no right to with hold certain sacrifices. But oh wait, the proper facilities and qualified personel are not set up yet so THEY CANT BE DONE. By your reasoning James we should set up an altar and do sacrifices where ever we happen to be or else Joe Sixpack is with holding what belongs to Hashem. But we all know that we cant set up altars where ever we feel like it because that is out order. So to the tithes have a certain order that must be followed.

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